Please punish leavers in keys and stop downgrading my key because of it

[Chrissedk-firemaw]

I am so tired of people leaving keys. You get a 10-key in your vault, and someone decides to leave randomly. It is so tilting when YOUR key is downgraded, and the leaver does not get any punishment. I am begging you to consider actually downgrading the leavers key and give them a deserter buff instead.

[Uda-uldum]

@Chrissedk-firemaw

I am so tired of people leaving keys. You get a 10-key in your vault, and someone decides to leave randomly. It is so tilting when YOUR key is downgraded, and the leaver does not get any punishment. I am begging you to consider actually downgrading the leavers key and give them a deserter buff instead.

How about no.

Deserter punishment comes with this drawback (among others):

Deserter Debuff

Hello everyone! So I’ve just experienced the deserter buff from getting kicked from a group. I had no idea, I only thought you would get it from leaving. I have read the forums and come to understanding that this is working as intended. I think this needs a change straight away. To start I understand blizzards incentive as to why the debuff works as it does I do however think it serves the minority. To give some context to my experience. I was in a Timewalking instance with a group and a tank t…

Im not going to do the work of putting here the 1000s of posts about that debuff for you. You can look it up in the forums yourself. You want that?

Here is your issue.

You invited someone. You EXPECTED to finish the dungeon. But that guy maybe did not want to finish it. He wanted to time it. So he left, and has all the right to do so.

Next time. Be clear. Put “stay in key” or something in the title of the group. And ask in /party that everyone stays till the end or leave. Before you start.

DONE. Leaver problem fixed for you. All it takes is to talk to people, in a MULTIPLAYER game. Its not rocket science.

[Chrissedk-firemaw]

Blizzard is fully capable to check if the player left or if he got kicked, so the drawback you are talking about is fixable.

You don’t get the issue, it never works to write something in the description when queuing for a group because people are not reading it anyway, and most people doesn’t care about it.

If you wipe on one pull, someone is going to leave, and those people are usually people with 3k + rio score. It is fully timeable still, and it should be punished if you leave the group no matter what.

[Uda-uldum]

@Chrissedk-firemaw

Blizzard is fully capable to check if the player left or if he got kicked, so the drawback you are talking about is fixable.

I see.

So let me put it this way. Lets say I want to leave your key. But I know I will get deserter.

You know what I do? Il just sit and AFK for a while. Until YOU leave and get deserter.

And if I know that there is some system that detects if im being kicked out, then il just wait until you kick me out.

So what do you prefer. A person simple leaving right now so you can go on with your life. Or a 15 minute stand-off with a guy that dosent want to leave. Your pick.

Like I said. Deserter debuff comes with that drawback. You cant avoid it.

@Chrissedk-firemaw

If you wipe on one pull, someone is going to leave, and those people are usually people with 3k + rio score. It is fully timeable still, and it should be punished if you leave the group no matter what.

You are generalizing. Really.

But if that is the case. WHY in gods name do you invite a 3200 rio player to a +10 ? If you are 100% convinced its “usually” those people, then the solution is even easier: Dont invite those people.

@Chrissedk-firemaw

You don’t get the issue, it never works to write something in the description when queuing for a group because people are not reading it anyway, and most people doesn’t care about it.

It works. 100%. I can guarantee you that. That is simply a lame excuse you put there.

People dont like to hear what they could do to prevent problems. They always want to hear how others will solve the problems for them. I dont blame you, its human.

But… its still a thing…

[Dejarous-draenor (Dejarous)]

@Chrissedk-firemaw

and it should be punished if you leave the group no matter what.

Blah blah.

I went into a group yesterday to do a weekly. Start the key and people are taking quite an abnormal amount of damage. No biggie, hover over them and 2 are getting carried. I can live with that.

3rd affix set and a mage and shaman still haven’t dispelled themselves once (my hands are full keeping 6m HP people alive in a 10) so I ask them to dispel themselves.

Their response? “stf u”.

I leave.

Punish me for that. I dare you.

[Aspie-silvermoon]

@Dejarous-draenor

so I ask them to dispel themselves.

yeah, but like, did you say “please”?

[Sylvare-argent-dawn (Sylvare)]

@Chrissedk-firemaw

Blizzard is fully capable to check if the player left or if he got kicked

People are fully capable of afking the moment they think the key is lost, making the only way they leave the group a kick, to circumvent this debuff
For that reason, people who get kicked also get the debuff.
Doesn’t take a lot of bad eggs to ruin the batch and all.

@Chrissedk-firemaw

You don’t get the issue, it never works to write something in the description when queuing for a group because people are not reading it anyway, and most people doesn’t care about it.

This is an assumption, you will see some that don’t read sure but a majority will want to know what they’re joining for.

@Chrissedk-firemaw

If you wipe on one pull, someone is going to leave, and those people are usually people with 3k + rio score.

Sometimes that one wipe can absolutely brick a key and then we go back what others have arleady told you, maybe they’re there to time a dungeon moreso then to complete it.