Please remove the Mindgames + UA combo from the game

As Iowercase put it in that warlock rework thread:

Which pretty much nails it. Without hard casting a shadow bolt that actually deals damage here and there for example as affli, or applying real dot damage like agony/corruption/ua as destro, it becomes way too one-dimensional, and so does the way to play against them.

Because destro have all their damage frontloaded into the hard casting, you have to play around LoS and psuedo-interrupts to deal with 'em.

Because affli have all their damage in the dots and CDs to empower the dots, you have to play around LoS and psuedo-interrupts to deal with their CDs.

While the question of defensives is always going to be relative to the damage pace of the game design itself, it means now you need more defensives but if it slows down then you’d need less, and it doesn’t solve the real problems with it.

Which is why what Iowercase said nails it, they need to become more diverse in their gameplay design.

They’re both like half of a spec. They need to become whole again.

i play this comp. theres so many OP busted rng insta death abilities in the game rn that by the time you find yourself with ua+games and no cd’s, no peels, unable to damage it off or even heal through it as its only 10k
 i just think youve been outplayed and deserve to lose!

Theres so much counterplay and time to react to this win condition, especially compared to all the busted other stuff in the game
 smh

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i mean i saw ur message. i have a habit of readin fast before readin thoroughly/ from college ya know, all the papers i had to read, u just skim first before assessin if its useful or not to read for real.

read “affli have all their damage in the dots” lmao no thats not whats going on and thats the whole problem of the class right now

I would trade chain harvest for mindgames/convoke anytime. Especially as resto/ele.
If u think the opposite, well, then ur really veeeeeeeeery clueless player :slight_smile:

from common sense and class representation obviously.
Cmmon say it, say priest isnt by far better than resto sham/mw/rdru

Holy pal still has highest representation.
Skill capped has tier lists which isn’t based on common sense but on an actual reasons and explanations, you can watch it.

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In a vacuum I’d say that Discipline is probably the best healer now that Holy Pallies have equal if not worse mana problems. Not “far better” than the others, but yeah, better.

In a vacuum Convoke can 1v3 an arena team within the channel on a semi-regular basis.

However, there’s a fundamental difference between paper and practice; Priests don’t fit into every team comp irregardless of how hard Holy is trying to gimmick its way into relevancy.

vaccum or not, 90% of 2v2 games are vs holy priest (out of vs healer games)

I have my opinion and if you dont share it
then youre clueless player 
 :ok_hand:

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As someone who predominantly plays 2v2, it pains me to say that it’s always been a meme fest. Their gimmicks play well into the bracket, couple that with the rampant FotM rerolling that Blizzard enables with their infrequent to little tuning and that’s why.

The biggest weakness that Holy has is that it runs out of healing, it’s far easier to counter-play in 3s.

u mean the guys who got the whole meta completely wrong? i still remmeber their aff lock video about being venthyr and stuff.

I watched it and thought: “wont work, too much castime”.

and other specs.

thing is, those players at skillcapped and high rating play legit a different game than ur acvergae 1K6 queuer in lfg.

so no, dont watch skillcapped

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If ur opinion is “red is not red, but blue”

I mean those opinions come from glad players at least, still better than a random forum dweller right. Don’t know how commonly your read this forum, but there have been a lot of threads based on skill-capped videos, so lot of people watch it here too.

they were wrong about affli. period. raw facts.

Is this another case of l2p?

nah instead I will say it on my main and say you need to l2p with your team.

skill capped’s tier lists are based on the opinions of 5 people in their friend list.

Similar to the tier lists you see on these forums.

Most of which are derived from sites like xunamate/arenamate and then plastered with a few good points for each class in the S/A tier lists with 1-2 poor points in the lower tiers.

well yeah the amount of hpalas sitting rating is crazy, not like they are forced to play the game after a patch, and that still hits representation. Now i dont think priest is the best healer, at least not in an undisputed sense, but representation isn’t very representative.

When you meet HOLY priest 7 times out of 10 2x2 arena games vs healers, where 3 others are DC priests it should atleast make u wonder why?

There are 8 times more heal priests than rshamans in top 100 filtered by resto shamans + holy/dc priests.

When I play, I have strong feeling that priest is simply ALOT better than rshaman. Mindgames is just overkill vs rsham.

From what i understand is that you don’t want to be one shoted, but you want your team to 1shot the enemy team. There are many ways to survive that combo of ua/mindgames. just line them. if you get caught in psycic horror and they try and cast ua/mindgames on you then your team has to interrupt mind games till phycic horror ends and you line the lock/priest again. ofc using your cds is a must in some situations. don’t be scared using trinket, bubble, bm trinket etc etc. but as i said your teamates play a huge roll too. going only oog oog tsuk tsuk mode wont do enough. especially with the slow lego from affli.