While tanking on my alts, it’s quite frustrating when you notice the healer is at like 20% mana, you stand still and wait for 10-15 seconds and the healer just stands there doing nothing. Happens quite a lot. Then I will just assume the healer don’t feel the need to drink and continue pulling.
Im an ideal world every tank checks their healers mana but thats the ideal world.
When im the tank i do check this bc i understand how hard healing can be i also call it out so the dps know why we have stopped snd dont ninja pull, as a healer i also post mana low in the chat bc i know how gungho some ppl get.
Its fine rly its being caught up in the moment with that feeling of this is amazing i love this.
Thats when mistakes happen overconfidence 101.
Listen i agree with you on 99% of what your saying, the other 1% is when ppl chainpull and dont bother to check mana then blame the healer in death.
Ive literally joined runs in retail and classic respecced in the dung right infront of them and the second i do that the tank pulls 3 grps … that ends up in me having to clutch heal which really is no kind of fun.
Ive also had a healer go afk with no warnings and had them refuse to dispell static cling amongst other.
( looks at that one shammy from firemaw server)
So you know the guy refusing to dispell was a shammy in a protocol dung of all places.
Suffice to say such ppl end up on my ignore list and for gd reason.
The main issue is ppl not caring, looking or being too lazy to press an extra key when or if needed.
I did a tolvir last week.as a prot palla, now i barely play my pally and all pf a sudden i have a warlock backseat tanking telling me aura etc… warriors dont have aura so.irs not somthing im used to that ofc is no excuse at all but when die bc they try to beat you somehere we did the skip run portion and the lock died it became my fault … the readson i go frst is pull anchor so when he ran past he got it off 2 mobs and was 2 shotted thats not my fault he ran past but he seemed to think i was wrong.
End result is we finished he mouthed off the i reported/ blocked hom and his 2 dudu freinds we will never meet again thank god.
Again i agree with you on what your saying but its everyones job to make a group function not just the healer or the tank if more of us understood that and stopped the its their fault mentality there would be less kicks.
Jump when he casts it and you won’t need a dispel, protip!
Also, after his first grounding field, he will cast static cling twice before he does another grounding field. So even if you get hit by first static cling, you will not need a dispel until he’s cast it once again. Frankly, it’s just a waste of mana and a gcd since as a tank you will be able to hit the boss even if rooted.
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Yh when your dbm decides to bug it can catch you out 
Obv i know to jump but it wasnt just me messing it up literally 3 ppl were allowed to die bc he woundn’t dispell.
Fact is were only himsn we mistime things and make mistakes
When this happens im not above throwin somone a bof or dispelling even as the tank, bit when a person outright refuses its going outright againstbwhat group play means.
in this scenario you are right to pull (and very generous with the waiting, 2 seconds are plenty to decide if you need to spend 20s on a drink), they probably have mana regen cds
is a ****!
here’s an example, in the same instance, a regular HC with resto druid (full vicious not a single piece of pve gear), the dd’s were of the 6-10k DPS ST caliber, no interrupts, taking all dmg possible, basically i was running on fumes for the whole run, we kill the last melee pack before Asaad, they jump down they lose half their health from falling damage, the tank pulls the small Stars before the boss, i’m left with 5% mana, the tank insta pulls the boss, i barely made it inside the fighting area, let alone rest. no innervate cd, i pop one mythical potion, no one dodged static cling ever no one went away with the chain lightning and that mob he spawns was alive too, when the boss was at 30%ish hp i legit had to let two dps die (by not dispelling them) or wipe, my combat regen wasn’t going to cut it with all the incoming damage.
we kill, i have like 2k mana as expected, who gets called trash by the tank? yeah 
for many reasons i’m immune to such situations, but i feel bad for the new players
Thats the reason why I quit Cata.
Quiing dung and waiting in the q then coz sweaty dudes didnt like something and kicked me for the dumbest reason several times was enough for me.
One thing IF i really like pulled mobs, or afked…the thing is the reason behind the kick was always insanely stupid and unfair. One time I got kicked coz I said LOL after some guy died, another time I simply asked a question about boss tact. I would start whispering like why I get kicked, it would be 0 reply or “i didnt vote for it I have no idea why they did it”
I noticed cata pveers are extremely weird people with giant ego but low logic, So no thanx. So Id rather pve in classic where ppl dont act like bots in dungeons and even communicate
it was either you or the guy who died, the kick gotta drop
i really giggle when they die on obvious stuff (that even a first timer would notice, stuff like bladestorm) but i keep it for myself in game
I saw all these kick forums for low dps. When I was leveling my Warrior, I was ilvl 333 at level 84 and was doing 20-25k damage in dungeons.
People in some of my HCs were 30 ilvls higher than me and were doing less dps by something like 5-10k. I have seen ilvl 370 people do 8k dps. The reality is this; Cataclysm is the first expansion in WoW where the player skill will take you further than gear. Every expansion before a more geared player will do more dps even if they are worse at the game.
It’s why its now take the class not the player. Ret is considered below average right now on DPS but with a little good RNG I can beat Warriors or UDKs because I play my class optimally. Since Private Servers exist, WoW Classic is a solved game and the Community expects people to know most of the knowlege.
You can complain but if you look at WoW anniversary servers 90% of the server is Warrior and Mage. Thats because its solved and thw community expects it. They ain’t inviting you if you are playing a troll spec like Ret.
In hindsight, Cataclysm is probably healthier as every class is viable outside a few pure pvp specs and if your skill matters more as the player than your gear. This means if you are a bad player you sadly will stick out like a sore thumb. My advice to you is read WoWhead, TBC.Class guides on Cataclysm spec, check WoWSimms, WoWlogs and some Youtube guides. You have all those resources at your disposal to help you improve.
Nobody expects you to be a 99 parser in dungeons but you need to carry your weight. If you are doing less than 15-20k your probably should be kicked because you are taking away more than what you are giving the group. As a DPS you are the most replaceable class and it will take 30s to get another player. DPS is also the most competitve role with logs etc. There is a lot of strong players in that role and you will be fairly or unfairly compared to them. If you play your class 80-90% correctly you won’t get kicked for sure but like I said in Cataclysm max level requires a basic level knowledge of how your class plays.
Just make a debuff to the entire group that stun for 3 minute (unable to move / do something) if they kick someone. This debuff doesnt occur if kicked person didnt perform any actions for 1 minute or more. So:
- You can kick someone if he is afk with no debuff
- You can kick the person if he is griefing your run, Yes you will get the debuff, but griefing happens not very often, so it’s okay to wait 3 minute once every 10-50 runs
- But it won’t be any point to kick someone (lowdps), if you are “speedrunning”, because you will spend more time waiting for the debuff
doing “skips” in a group of randoms is a gamble and too often more costly time-wise than if we had just killed that one pack/mob, but this dosn’t stop tanks from doing it.
my personal favorite is the water skip in city of tol’vir when we have no water walking buff in the group, yeah lets swim, then 4man the boss because the other guy was left behind and does not know the way
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I’m talking more not about pack skips but about lowdps
the reasoning behind the kick does not matter, it was just an example of how people don’t really think about doing the fastest run possible (or think in general), it’s more a monkey see monkey do thing, RAZ SMASH…
if you kick the tank you are gonna wait at least 5 minutes for another tank, but here we are, op got kicked multiple times as a tank because he did not meet the “MDI standards” of the leveling cata community ( 
), i too have initiated votes to kick tanks with god complex, and if my vote does not pass i think “you deserve each other” and i leave the group
Something weird happened earlier this morning. Was doing Infernos on alts with a guildie. A DPS pressed need on a blue item from a boss, and soon afterwards someone initiated a votekick towards him with “ninja” as reason. I inspected the guy, and the item he needed was a clear upgrade.
I then pressed no, and my guildie also claims he did. Which leaves two additional votes (the guy initiating the votekick and one more). And yet the votekick went through, which is strange to me since it to my knowledge should require bare minimum of 3 people to press yes. The only things I can think of are if my guildie lied about pressing no (I don’t see any reason why he would lie about it) or if me inspecting the guy to see if he was an actual ninja took too long and me not responding for like 15 seconds somehow counted as neutral/yes (which would be ridiculous). And if so, the timer really should be increased a bit. No wonder random votekicks go through if you’re not even given a few seconds to look something up before making your decision.
Edit: I also questioned the votekick in party chat after it went through. Apparently the guy initiating it didn’t even inspect him before assuming he was a ninja. Which is also ridiculous and says much about this community.
I agree with person on the otherside comment. However some ppl are just pure toxicity and dont care about that other person they care about what they want and what they want alone.
A pet peeve of mine is when you meet ppl who are utterly entitled with their mindset and behaviour, everything from looking at what their doing to saying thankyou or moving aside instead of taking up an entitre path bc they think the world revolves around them makes me wanna just hurt somone.
Its no different on wow the person vote kicking or mouthing off/ being toxic os unwanted and unnessecary but in the mind of the person doing it theyre absolutely within their rights to be that way.
In reality theyre not even close to being justified those ppl end up on my ignore list or irl i will directly confront them, somtimes they apologise other times yhey take a swing at me which is their but its a very bad one.
Irl i more than capable of dealing with this nonsense bc my job is in personal security which means im trained to take somone down and very fast.
I’ve had to stop clients from being stabbed by either disarming or disabling the attacker before today so someone not knowing what to do in a fight is easy street.
If it were possible to meet most the toxic ppl online theyd never be that way.
Perhaps maybe 1 in 10 ppl maximum would try their luck, the issue is they have the amonimity of the internet so they grow a backbone and act with hostility knowing theres no recourse.
Best thing you can do if your ever vote kicked is put the entire grp on ignore that way they dont ever get to ruin a run for you ever again.
Another thing that is really annoying is when people try to be fast in a dungeon and they don’t let you hand in your quest on time. All you have to do is wait a second.
Like in Caverns of time…
Obviously they are such pro players (Are they trying to get Keys or something?)
They do everything super quick, You know because the faster you go supposedly the better you are.
Except in the caverns of time if you’re doing the quest and you don’t hand in your quest before someone talks to Thrall and sets him into motion, you have to redo the whole dungeon from the start, and hope that the next time you’re able to hand in the quest.
Why is this a thing in wow?
Remember that it’s a vote.
No one person can kick you out.
If you’re referring to tanks going at the speed of light. Honestly, I believe it’s partly because they wanna avoid getting scolded by some adhd dps player that thinks he’s the tank. Or, in worst case scenario, get kicked for being “afk”.
I tank now and then myself on alts, and even though I always try to keep the pace up, some people are never satisfied unless you never let go of w, pull 3-4 packs a go, nitro boost and speed pot on cooldown, etc. It doesn’t matter if you just give someone a few seconds to drink up, or something, you should still just forge ahead.
@onedeath, I am well aware of that.
@Babastiltz, yep, sometimes the expectations coming from people are pure insanity.
No that’s not really the reason. Real reason is, because people (including most tanks) are simply busy leveling or farming valor or whatever.
If you are good healer or good tank, you won’t be kicked out from the group just because people want to rush things, so you can easily let people take mana breaks and so on, and if someone starts complaining, pay no attention to that.
If they ninja pull too often, simply let them handle it. If someone is impatient, there’s no need for you to pay any attention to it nor feed their ego, simply just ignore them and if they start complaining, you can always tell “Isn’t it amaizing how you can spend 10-15 seconds typing things to complain about, but can’t wait 1 second before pulling without having a stroke?”
This sounds like the exact stuff that could potentially get you kicked as a tank, to be fair. Never happened to me personally, since I think nothing constructive will come out of it when tanking. But I’ve seen others do, and get kicked.