Sure, but you could have done a simple dictionary look-up.
Purist:
Noun.
“A person who insists on absolute adherence to traditional rules or structures, especially in language or style.”
I’m gonna stop you right there. No, I don’t presume anything. It’s very obvious what you want, though as explained numerous times before, you’ll find that most players simply don’t want this.
Because releasing all of T5 and Hyjal, even if locked behind attunements, would shorten the lifespan of the expansion drastically. A blind man can see that coming. Private servers had raids locked for months, so it’s not like it hasn’t been tried before.
Also, I fixed the “its” typo in the quote for you.
Re-read point 1 and 2, you absolutely presumed some things that were not correct prior to your post edit that came a bit later. You don’t have to presume my position that I’ve made clear, but you were guilty of presuming I’d find certain consequences to be negative.
Purist by the definition you are going by isn’t accurate for my position either, (it’s important in grown up discussions to make sure we are crystal clear on the definitions we use hence my asking, TBC Purist isn’t in the dictionary). Nor did you really answer in a satisfying manner my question about why you would want to do 2.4.3 kara/gruul or mag over the originals in a phased version of TBC.
Considering the general lack of civility I am not sure anything constructive will come out of this, nor am I likely to have my mind won over to the 2.4.3 point of view, even with incredibly persuasive uses of the ‘typo fallacy’.
I would add, what data do you have at hand to suggest that folks who want progressive patching are in the minority? I’m always interested in data that could change my perspective on issues.
There is nothing to presume, it’s very obvious you want a 1:1 progression attempt. That’s not what most players want though.
The dictionary definition is accurate. We’re not gonna start changing definitions of words just because you don’t like them.
My answer was pretty clear, you just don’t like my opinion. Which is fine, you don’t have to.
I’m not here to change your mind, because you don’t want you mind changed. I’m giving you my point of view, and what you do with it is entirely up to you.
Look around you. Youtubers are asking for phase releases, or proposing their phase release ideas. I don’t really see anyone advocating for having T5 and Hyjal available at launch. I see some people advocating for 2.0 items and talents, which is to be expected, but very few. If anything, people are suggesting difficulty buffs to match what private servers did. I’d be very surprised if that happened.
And now we know which one really got under your skin!
Oh boy, that was something to wake me up with a chuckle. Once again back to presuming about getting under ones skin, when actually I was mocking you being the literal ‘I was nearly forced to make a better argument but I saw you made a typo!’ meme. What you’re doing is projection and it is genuinely gold.
So once again you aren’t answering the question directly about a 2.4.3 Kara/Mag/gruul in a locked phase 1. You seem to think that ‘absolute adherence to traditional rules or structures, especially in language or style’ is a valid definition for what so called TBC purists want on a game that is presently running on the legion client.
and to top it off you think your lack of data is made up for by saying ‘look at X streamer/video makers opinion’ is anything other than anecdote. To make it even funnier is that your own anecdote doesn’t suggest enough consensus to constitute a majority.
Your goal really in a discussion like this should be to try and win me over to your way of thinking about 2.4.3, I’m very much open to being won over by good arguments from that camp. (yes another presumption on your part that my mind wouldn’t change)
You’re reading way too much into this. I saw a typo, I fixed it, and you’ve just spent 2 posts getting salty about it. I wonder how many more you’re gonna write when I point out another one:
Showing results for actual argument.
But that’s exactly what the purists want. An exact replica, with all the questionable design choices that were resolved later, patch by patch, on this new Legion client. Probably even the bugs that were resolved later, or useless stuff that no one asked for, AKA spell batching. It’s like you want to argue about something, but you’re not quite sure what about, or why.
I’ve told you where to look and what to look for. I’m not sure what else you expect me to do, watch it for you?
Let’s make this more spicy, because it feels a bit lazy on your part. Why don’t you provide your own sources and show me that apparently those who want progressive patches all the way through are not the minority?
Ooouuuu, is that a date? Hang on, lemme find my Hugo Boss.
I go to this forum almost daily for last 18 months and you are the first person who seems to seriously argue for T5 and Hyjal available on release. Why would you want the expansion lifetime be cut almost in half?
I have seen some minority of people argue for 2.0 items and talents, maybe even working world buffs. Why do you want something Blizzard considered a bug or an oversight to be present in the “re-release” of the game? It is common practise to release later editions of the game with all the previous patches, bug fixes and balance adjustments already present. Can you imagine if StarCraft remastered came in a state the game was in in 1999? It would be silly to ask for something like that. Why ask for it in re-released WoW TBC.
Edit: I just realized you are in Crusade. A joke of a guild known for same faction griefing and harboring server outcasts. Don’t even bother replying, I am disregarding your opinion already based on your toxic guild tag.
You misunderstand my point. What I’m against is 2.4.3 whilst being locked to a phase 1 featuring only the tier 4 raids. I’m not opposed to phasing, but I believe they should keep things to their respective patches(minus TK/SSC), I really don’t want another phase 1 experience.
Yes, I understood that correctly. And you are in an absolute minority in that desire. Almost everyone I ever heard express themselves on the topic wants only T4 present on release. Some in it’s 2.0 state, but more in 2.4.3 state, or some combination of features from those two patches (like 2.4.3 items and talents, but 2.0 boss abilities, stats and cooldowns or such)
I’ll state it one more time as I don’t work in the education sector. I don’t mind a tier 4 only release. But if that’s to be the case I want it to be first patch, not 2.4.3.
(also for the love of god please stop throwing the word minority around, and asserting anecdotally obtained evidence from a forum that is incredibly under used in lieu of Data)
What I meant by not another phase 1 situation, is a situation where like with molten core where it was so ridiculously easy as tier 4 has a chance to be experienced in a more interesting form than 2.4.3. As opposed to ‘not another phase 1 period’
For that to happen, you definitely don’t need to make the game exactly as it was before 2.1. Waiting for stuff like guildbank or the revamped leveling experience, for example, doesn’t rly make the raid content more interesting.
The best path for Blizzard would prolly be to undo some of the nerfs… but even then, not all of them look as bad to me as they seem to be to you. I dunno about you, but I’m not too enthusiastic at the idea of a SSC with 45 min respawn timers, for example.