POPULAR OPINION! Remove Rated shuffle in Midnight - It should be unrated only

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If blizzard cared for the mental health, re-playability and restoring the previous wow, they need to unfortunately remove the RATED SOLO SHUFFLE & RATED BLITZ

Having rating and titles connected to a lottery playstyle is going to erode the game. It creates a negative feedback loop where people don’t want to play with each other, has likely increase reporting/banning by a considerable amount and has negatively impacted the other forms of rated PVP.

Shuffle is great for learning, and it’s a great solo content, however I think it should be removed as a RATED environment, and be a gameplay mechanic for those wanting to farm conquest without having to push in the rated scenario. However if you want the elite set, elite enchants, tabards, mount and titles, you should be forced to play 2v2 and 3v3.

LFR is widely considered damaging to the game, hence why it was never introduced at the end of cataclysm and MOP remakes, and Solo Shuffle is the same as this version.

I have no problem with the way you’ve set up the 6 rounds if it was just for fun gameplay. the fact of the matter is, you’ve created a version of arena which is 10x more toxic and half as rewarding because you’ve got no body to share the glory with.

If blizzard really cares about PVP, and the mental health of the PVP playerbase, and trying to capture the greater experiences, not the negative feedback loop that wow has been since BFA, then you MUST! remove Rated Blitz and Shuffle.

Having an unrated Shuffle creates a gameplay mode that people can play inbetween arenas that allows them to practice whilst having the same sense of reward but with ZERO Toxic re-enforcement because if you roll a bad lobby, then it isn’t going to impact you. Having an unrated Blitz created a solo que mode that prevents new players getting stomped by the constant premade section.

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… Have you played skirmish?

I’ve gotten flamed for being in green gear when I was trying to do the weekly.

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get with the times buddy

every pvp-only game is mostly centered around solo quing

having unrated shuffle means NOBODY will ever play it, if u though queue times are bad now, imagine it being like that lol

the game is heading towards a different direction, what was good for you 15 years ago is now different

accept it and move on

15 years ago 99% of pvpers were bad so it wasnt hard to get to play with others

now u jump into LFG some trashcan will want u to have 3k xp for 1600cr games

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I haven’t read the post cause the title alone is ridiculous enough. Shuffle is the most popular pvp we have atm. Lacking healer is one reason the queues are long but also the system Blizzard implemented that not to many of the same spec end up in one shuffle. Which isn’t working that well since everyone is playing Ret.

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I don’t agree with the take. While multiple games have solo queue modes they also have premade modes available. Look at MOBAs or shooters. The only thing that happens is that both are merged into same ladder but matchmaking system prioritizes premades against premades and solo players against solo players. In DOTA 2 for example you can even adjust the setting that you never meet even 2-3 people stacks. It makes queues longer but it might be even more fair.

In high mmr lobbys you have separate system. In Dota it’s once you reach the highest rank which is Immortal then you have only this mode available. How it works is you have lobby of 10 players and 2 highest rated players pick players for their team.

Solo shuffle by itself is poorly designed by itself and while I’m not against any solo modes I’m for improvement. Current solo shuffle can improve a lot.

I don’t say we should copy DOTA 2 solution but think about something similar. Having separate ladders for every mode with such small community asks for 30 min. queues.

Let’s face the truth. You rarely use LFG to play 3s anyway - rather check your friend list. Maybe on fresh alt you play with some random people till you reach some rating. That’s the purpose of solo queue and to play it when friends are unavailable.

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Same, I think its completely fried to accept this state that there would not be team play in mmo for pvp, what kind of storm pve would rise if they suddenly had their way of playing with their mates somehow nerfed so much it would be more beneficial to play some yolo soloq m+ with mixed exp ppl doing random things and inting each other every round. I mean people would be absolute furious if that would be the “best” way to play the game, that is literally what is happent now in pvp that they let shuffle deflate arenas.

And the stupidest part here being that heals dont even have any good way of playing the game anymore if shuffles are bad and arenas are deflated, that is literally what is the case currently. They have to rework rated system or compensate it on each modes if they split playerbase in multiple rated modes on a system that is participation dependant for inflation

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Idk, I just dont want to return to 1 game leave lobbies in LFG.
Even if long ques, SS is much better for my dps chars.

Maybe, with my healer too. Much more difficult to find a grp with my healer in LFG :smiley:

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Nobody says you have to go back to LFG. People say to put solo queue - 1 round game in 3s ladder. So everything is merged but to make matchmaking pair premades with premades first and only if there is no other premade to pair it with random players.

Solo queue should be there but it needs improvements and redesign. 40 min. queues aren’t pleasant to anyone. They should happen at the top of the ladder if you are seasonal legend or at least legend yourself not at duelist level.

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This is worst suggestion to merge both 3s and solo ladders. It’s very obvious that premade groups will benefit and there will be only premade groups after “mid” rating. It pointless to play this bracket

It should be at least 5 people. More people you have in party - less queue priority. So you could still find with your 1 or 2 friends games, because you will not be at the bottom of the queue priority
In wow 90% is waiting, 10% is actual gameplay. Imagine if in LoL/Dota or CS you had to find teammates in chat/discord servers or forums :rofl:. Who would play this
And if they cant make it work in arena, they need to make another new game mode. Where you could feel that u can carry games. Which I doubt they will ever do. Blitz is cringe. You do almost 0 impact on game. Nobody likes bgs. Its community is minority of minorities.

Duo queue in “solo” 3s may be could work. But I already see how everyone will queue only with their pocket healer after 2.4
Ngl, I feel this game is doomed

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No it’s not. It’s literally how it works in CS:GO, Dota 2 and League. Basically you have premade groups prioritiezed to meet other premade and only if you play at 5 AM and there aren’t enough premade groups they are met. In Dota 2 also if you don’t want to meet any premades you have setting for it but then you wait longer. I think it would work. Also both League and Dota 2 have special game mode for matchmaking in highest bracket. In Dota if you reach immortal which is the highest rank every account has to be registered with name and last name so it prevents boosting and 2 highest rank players pick teams so it’s the most even possible. Blizzard could think of something like this as well.

I mean many people play in stacks because they enjoy playing with these people. That’s normal. You have guilds there like here. Also their competitive tournaments are played in stacks so they need way to practice.

So it’s kinda like I say there. You start as a solo player but if you enjoy playing with someone you add him and then play in stack. Once I played Dota for longer period of time I didn’t queue solo for over a year because we played only in stack or even in house games - like Wargames.

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In wow in 3s it would not work. Premades groups will terrorize ladder. You get the point why Valve made that draft system? On high rating (last possible rank, so, not high actually), there will be massive issue with premade groups. Im not saying that it should be like now with separated ladders. The point is it would not work for 3s arena

In games you mentioned you dont need to sit and find people just to have a chance to play. Or schedule your time with teammates. Otherwise you cant play the game lol
That’s not normal. That is garbage game design. Probably someone’s sweet dream about how there should be tinder/linkedin aspect in competitive game modes. I’m glad wow have consequences with participation (both pvp and pve) because of that.
And people still think deleting shuffle and forcing everyone to find teammates will fix 3s and pvp. Lmao, everybody will queue 2s. Or more probably quit the game

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But I said. Until you are highest rank you premades firstly play against premades. Only at night when there are not enough premades you can meet a premade as solo player. Solo players as priority are matched with solo players.

You don’t. But that’s the purpose of solo queue. You play solo queue - meet someone you enjoy playing with - add. If you have enough friends then you can play any time of the day. You also play with people who play at the same time.

And yes - it’s normal and that’s how it works.

Yet they didn’t when it was the case. I mean I don’t get it why you are afraid of adding people to friend list in an MMORPG.

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You dont understand what im saying. Forcing everybody to play tinder inside WoW otherwise you cant press queue button - garbage design from 2004

Playing with friends is soloq modes - it’s ok and it should be, but not in 3s soloq

How deleting shuffle and forcing people to find teammates to play arena (and they will primally play 2v2 and NOT 3v3) is correlating to “you are afraid to add friends”

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Why is it? Why wouldn’t it work? The purpose of solo queue was not to play this game alone but to find teammates faster. Give me one reason why it’s a bad idea? It means you don’t like the genre WoW is. Maybe you play the wrong game if you want to play alone. When people were asking and signing petitions for solo queue nobody was saying “I want to play solo because I’m not social and I don’t want to talk to other people” but “I don’t want to spend hours in LFG where people only take S tier specs”. Merging both ladders solves the issue RSS was meant to solve but it only made it worse. The only reason in fact people play solo queue is because it’s easier to get rating there and since the design is as it is it takes less time to get rating there than find 2 other people and learn the comp - learn to cooperate.

MMO genre is in crisis because of people like you and because devs started listening people like you. Since this game is more solo play oriented it’s numbers drop faster and faster.

I remind you this is an MMO - massively multiplayer online…

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Because 3s is team based bracket. The point is coordinated gameplay with saying WHEN to make a go and who to cc. No way anyone will queue in solo vs premade
Never heard anyone stuck premades with 5 people in dota, lol or cs because it will be much easier to play. Guess games are built around soloq players (even tho you can queue with friends)

I dont like adepts of “old school mmorpg” aka linkedin/tinder “gameplay” in competitive game mods with ladder, ranks and rating. And I think im not the only one

:grimacing:
Yeah, sure. Im the loudest crying problem. That because of me cringers trying to copy garbage wow classic design for years and years and years… and wonder why nobody wants to play MMORPGs

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And that’s why you want two teams full of randoms. Indeed logic.

You never heard of someone playing stack in Dota, Lol or CS to make it easier because their matchmaking works in the way that if you are a stack you will most likely play against stack so it’s not necessarily easier.

As times shows it’s not “old school mmorpg” it’s an MMORPG. Every single one that tries to focus on solo play is doomed. SWTOR, WoW are the best examples. And facts are against you broski. Classic and Old School Runescape are the best examples what makes people play MMORPGs.

There aren’t gen Z players who think. “Oh WoW PvP looks amazing! I’ll play it!”. They play MMORPG because they heard that WoW has cool world. They played Warcraft 3 etc. Most of people who play PvP played WoW before for PvE or because they wanted to see the world and these are facts. Classic and Runescape show that world and social interactions are more important thant fancy looking “waiting room” for your solo shuffle. Also numbers show that interest of WoW since it’s more focused on solo play drops.

Sorry dude facts are against you. The fact they are pruning classes and removing addons to make it more appealing to fresh new players.

And yes you “think” but facts say otherwise.

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Yes, because it much less disadvantage. Its logical

Haha what? Where is cringe of creations? Where is other “hyped” MMORPGs where there were literally 0 solo game mods? What with MOP/sod/classic (more dead than retail x100 times)?

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How is it less disadvantage when you meet another coordinated stack of 5?

Ashes of Creation isn’t even released yet. MoP ladder is more active than retail one actually.

Then show me one “solo play focused MMO” that is currently successful

Also just pure logic “gathering team before playing won’t work” when both M+ and raids are based on such system. Aye…

And I forgot… Regarding Classic WoW Blizzard had to sue Turtle WoW Private Server because it became a real threat to this “successful” retail.

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Are u delusional or what?
More than 2 times less (1000 vs 400) players daily playing arena in MOP (you can scroll to the bottom of the page and see how many players in the table).
Or you can see there is 3 times less games played on average…
https://check-pvp-classic.fr/activities?bracket=3v3&region=eu&page=1&lasthours=24
https://check-pvp.fr/activities?bracket=3v3&region=eu&page=1&lasthours=24

No offence, but it gives me feeling im talking to delusional redditor who makes things up, believes in them, and think that he is always right (without proofs ofc)

WoW. It successful, even after 20 years. Even If i and many other players daily blame blizzard on forums. And nobody cares about ashes of creations or any budget copy of classic wow

Oh, oh. An autoattack simulator is the threat to retail…

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Then it must be recent trend. I played MoP last week and there were more groups in LFG and I didn’t have to wait in the queue like here.

I’d say nobody cares about retail WoW. Not even 10 k people watched last AWC.

Retail soon turns into it once Midnight get released so… I mean if Blizzard sees a reasoning behind there must be something behind it…