Premades are even worse than before

That smells like Larkus premade. There you have a real case of a premade that avoids facing others premades. They always leaves when they see us, often before the game starts.

Random Battleground is randrom. If some team has a premade group, then that team should face another premade group, that would be fair. If their queue time would be astronomical it is their own problem, they can disband and start normal random battleground

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sory to tell u but i join last night on my horde for random bg and 3 time in a row i meet a 5 man premade or maybe more in Twin peaks bg . I decide to join mercenary and i get farmed by a horde premade in Silvershard Mines . Don t lie plz .
Premade s are out of control. or maybe a lot of ppl just give up and leave the game

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I’m ok with that.
We should ask Blizzard to make it possible to queue with a 40 man group but they only play against other 40 man groups like it is in most games out there.

It wouldn’t take a month and not a single premade would be left to play. Same thing happened to PvP smurfs when they got their own bracket.
Those groups only function when they can farm people that aren’t a match for them. Same with x9+ smurfs.

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Wrong. Random BG means random map, not random team.

You got “Specific BG” where you can select the map, and “random BG” that choose a random Map.

Both, specific and Random allow you to play in premade or solo.

Random is random. We don’t have a “Semi-random” battlegrounds, we have The random battleground.

Mening of random by Cambridge Dictionary:

happening, done, or chosen by chance rather than according to a plan:

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Hover over “Random Battleground” and it will say: “Compete against the enemy faction in a random battleground.”. Hover over “Random Epic Battleground” and it will say: “Compete against the enemy faction in a massive 40-player battleground!”.

In the first one it specifically mentions a random battleground, not random players. The ebg doesn’t specify anything about random players either. There are 2 categories: “Bonus Battlegrounds” and “Specific Battlegrounds”, and nothing referring to random players for those battlegrounds. The only difference between queuing for a specific bg and a random bg, is that the bg is random vs specific.

The only times “random” is mentioned is in context of the map, never the players, nowhere, ever.

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And once again, Random refers to “RANDOM MAP”

Random BG was created during WOTLK as an alternative to the specific Bgs and it refers to the MAP


Lulune, you are here, I know it!

Return back to the alliance :rage: :rage: :rage:

So playing as a group while knowing your opponents dont like to lose (and that some will complain on the forum) means your intentions must be malicious?

Not sure if that deduction would hold up in court.

Like I said, there are many reasons why people might want to do epics with a community. One I forgot to mention before is achievements, which for me personally has been a factor. I can finally finish off my Khan achi :slight_smile: Assuming that people do this solely to grief is quite silly.

I understand the notion that people wouldnt be as inclined to do rated epics. If there was rated and it ended up having lots of people playing and a meta emerging etc, then yes, many people very likely wouldnt enjoy it the same way. Winning is fun, thats just how it is, and playing in a more competitive setting means losing more often. It goes something like this:
Winning even games > winning uneven games > losing even games > losing uneven games
The reasons why people prefer doing premade randoms rather than rated bg are many, and win ratio and level of difficulty is obviously the core of it. I think it mostly boils down to what Delenis stated as his motivation for doing premades: nobody wants to feel like they’re at a disadvantage. A big issue when it comes to playing bgs competitively is that spec/composition imbalance is so massive. In arena most specs can fit into some comp, but in bgs, a few specs are simply vastly better than the rest, period. And so in order to remain competitive - not greatly disadvantaged - you need to select teammates very carefully. This means spending loads of time making groups, and neglecting friends who happen to play the wrong specs.

So yes, you’re right to some extent, but not necessarily for the reasons you stated (plural you, I cant remember what you specifically said). You can never rule out that there are some malicious freaks playing in premades who take pleasure in steamrolling and gy camping and all that. But at least from my personal experience I can assure you there are very few, most likely none, who have such a mindset among the people I play with.

You can argue that blizzard “forbids” multiple group premades, or rather: they probably would if they could. But there is most likely no way to enforce such a rule. It requires 0 external tools. And if you tried to enforce it anyway there would be tons of collateral dmg and no way to really determine a clear line.

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You abuse the system by cooperatively logging in into battles with cooperated players number being more then 5 people. By the same logic the one can use cheats and state some nonsense like: “Get social, find a friend-hacker who will source to the code!”. You do ABUSE game mechanics, hence you do ABUSE other players. Never to mention ABUSE of the kicking for “AFK” of the players who does not wish to follow your rule of the madness which march all of us into the abyss of desperation and unfun, sadness. If is this your representation of fun I have bad news four you.

I think you’re missing the point. You cant really label it abuse or exploit when it isnt against any rules. Blizzard might have banned it if they could, but they know its not feasible. They cant just say “you’re not allowed to have multiple groups of people who know each other in the same bg”. Its not possible to enforce. They can disable addons and other means of facilitating this kind of behaviour, but thats about it.

The best thing they could do if they wanted to prevent this would probably be to set a limit to how many bg queues you can leave within a certain timeframe (for instance causing the 2nd queue you leave within 10 min to trigger a deserter debuff), to make it more inconvenient to coordinate multiple groups.

As for the AFK emote, none I play with have done this.

nonsense.
accusations that make no sense.
back up your statements with lies and you’ll be taken even less seriously

And don’t tell me groups of 5 people just accidentally are so well coordinated to form 20+ people groups regularly. Oh my God, such an occurrences 90% of time, I can not believe. If it was intended by developers to make 40 people groups in random epics then you would just form 20-40 people group and would without any problems press “Join Battle” button. I don’t know why Blizzard have not done either yet. Just make match making system right for solo players, or let it register full raids. Either way some amount of players will abandon game, I guess that’s the truest reason of this sluggishness.

You can join bgs as a group so by blizzards definition the map is what is random not your team.

He belongs too me now.

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Yeah, but you can join up to 5 players in team. If you try 6+ amount game will not let you. So bright minds join in voice channels to press “join battle” simultaneously which allows people to play more then 5 in one single battleground, making unfair advantage and creating abusive environment to the regulards.

The point is that nobody does anything wrong. Telling your friends/community to queue up for bg is not against any rules.

The argument about removing the option to queue as raid is also a bit two-sided. It was done across the board, making it so normal bgs wouldnt consist of a full premade group. If you compare playing a 15 man premade in AB to having 15-20 people in epic bgs, its not quite the same.

I just posted a suggestion that would most likely fix this “issue” entirely. If they want to, they can implement it. Until then, I think you have to accept that we’re not vile people with malicious intent. :dragon_face:

Irrelevant to the point I was making tho.

The ammount of groups in the bg does not change the definition of what random BGs are.

Just because I occasionally end up in the same 10 man BG as Pandoras premade from time to time it does not stop being a random bg.

That can happens even accidentally some times. Join multiples groups of 5 for now isn’t against rules. I asked it with ticket. You dont need even discord to do it. Everybody queue when leader say 1 in chat and the job is done.

Anyway, many people are also complaining here about 5man premades. Some people just want solo game and no option to play with another people in random PvP.

Yes you are, you drag others into yours affairs, whatever they be. Go to wargames, as suggested by others. I, nor other randoms, do not have a wish to serve to you as punchbags and paying for it 12 euros per month!

Then do not wander when you will see bots of Aarthi Basin infesting pvp sector entirely.