It’s not fun to be in a Premade, it’s not fun to “bend” giving up when faced with the slightest challenge. (As is the premade culture).
It’s no fun to have all competition removed because you hold such an unfair advantage vs PUGs. !Anyone who enjoys this must have a serious complex!
It’s not fun to face a Premade.
Literally zero chance vs a hand picked highly coordinated team fully stacking consumables with dedicated comms whilst your team are giving up before the gates have opened.
The best BGs are the hard thought, long winded battles on equal ground. Even if you loose you can come away thinking “At least that was a great challenge” or “That was really competitive”.
The amount of time wasted queuing to be forced to fight majority Premade teams is ridiculous, there is simply no way to opt out of this terrible system, which has already forced many of my friends to opt out of their SUB. It’s Boring.
I profoundly hate being on both sides of this terrible system and I don’t think I’m alone in the belief an alternative opt out would be welcomed by many.
I see you’re changing instance limits, why not this?
I dont premade and I think like seperating ques or such wont solve the issue. All I can see here is like 5 shamans queing up for Warsong and be paired with another 5 man 5 warrior team and so on and then its the same all over
Because what you’re asking for is a retail change.
And changing the instance limit isn’t a good change either; that’s a lazy attempt from Blizzard to slow bots down instead of actually dealing with them.
I am a pug PVP player because I have a R/L and I have totally stopped WSG and AB because of the Premades I started being totally wiped out by the Premades and then the Pug groups I was in they started whenever they know they’re up against premade get killed once and then dont ress and just stay dead till it’s over and so I did the same, Premade so over powered camp GY in AB or WSG and you just feed there kills and gain nothing so I can see why its now Premade dont ress … Of course that upsets the premades as gain so little kills,… But pugs only get there token at the end of a Pug V Premade so why give free Kills to the premade,… Now stopped WSG and AB totally only doing AV for kills as though 99,99% loss to the Horde I get the kills I need to rank up,… When I reach the rank I want which is one more level I stop PVP forever,… In Vanilla I use to PVP just for fun in WSG and AB even when had stopped ranking to the level I wanted,… Classic AB and WSG is toxic not fun and I never go back to them…
I also have irl things and I can only play a limited time, why don’t you try to set a schedule with Guildies/friends? Like you do with a raid, monday, Wednesday, Saturday we group up from 20:00-21:30 and play some wsg.
Hi there well most are not into PVP some have decided due to the Premades there not going to do any more PVP either and I guess WSG and AB are now seen for premades only by many this is Classic, Because in Vanilla Premades were there but very few, now nearly every AB or WSG is a Premade and for me being so near to the Rank I want using AV BG instead to gain the Kills I need. I won’t be going back to WSG or AB the Premades can fight it out between themselves which will make them have to really have a Fight,… But for others may be your idea would work !
I havent done many AB’s and so far 0 WSG’s i used to play AB alot more in vanilla and also WSG’s but AV was still most ‘fun’ for me, if it wasnt for premades i would have played alot more AB and some WSG.
And i bet many more left this premade crap BG’s, which makes it even worse for pug’s, less pugs to meet, its an evil circle of more and more pug players leaving it.
No they wont, the Team that cant get 3 bases just give up when both are premades, so they wont be doing any BG PVP either, only for the first few minutes, they are now non PVP BG’s
Only pvp in these BG’s are when 2 pugs face eachother.
The premade have taken over WSG or AB lets say you go 20 times and your be lucky to go up against 2 Pug Groups rest are all Premades the premade just take over and camp GY’s So the Pugs just get killed once and in WSG don’t ress or in AB corpse walk back to the Hall and again don’t ress,… That has become the way in WSG and AB as a Pug v Premade kind of sad… AV is a mess 99% horde win and most Alliance don’t even care to even bother to fight there just after rep, not a win so all they want is a fast loose to get a Token then in again for next AV, I go AV to kill Horde for Rank up, already Exalted once I have my rank which is one more level to match my old Vanilla Rank then I won’t do any PVP again, That’s the way with most Alliance, and having Horde chars also I can say its not good for the Horde either on que Times and the fact you don’t get a real fight makes the AV BG a joke !
i accidentally joined a premade by pugging AB, i guess the team lost 1 in a DC or something else, or maybe they were only 14, and after trying for a few minutes to get 3 bases (my team didnt get 3 bases only 2), my team just went back to start zone and let the enemy team win
i also read forum posts where others have observed the same thing
I think that is one of the reasons pugs face premades so often besides the fact that less pugs do them now, because the premades are fast games and ready to meet next team, so when ever a pug play vs pug which most likely last for a long time, there wont be as many pugs ready to join next AB / WSG as fast as all the premades which is superfast BG’s.
Its making a Joke of WSG and AB and when you look at what some premades will take to a BG over 1000 Gold for less than a week of WSG or AB well most Pugs just don’t stand a chance I could never afford that much gold on a daily routine,… So from what you say and from what I know On the use of GOLD for pots extra and the fact there not even there for a real Fight the moment they meet another Premade its cap 3 bases or other side does and leave the BG,… Then what is the whole point now of BG’s there know were near what they were meant to be in fact there far from it and it brings in to my mind the fact that any High Rank that’s strutting their stuff in the city really has not gained that rank in a Honorable way and you may as well treat as dirt,… In Vanilla Rank meant something people with rank were treated with a bit more respect in Classic well it seems its nothing to be respected for because the way its gained is not a respectable way.
It was no different in Vanilla. This exact system existed back then, and people complained about this exact same thing back then. It wasn’t any more “respectable”.
The problem here isn’t the premades. They are just a symptom of a bigger problem: namely that the Vanilla/Classic ranking system is just bad. The concept behind it is flawed. Which was the reason they abandoned it completely and never returned to it.
This system requires MASSIVE grinding, and people doing that have literally 0 interest in “fun” games. They just want to burn through it to get the most honor possible. - Which is understandable, when trying to rank in a system like this.
The “normal” players not aiming for a high rank are essentially just fodder for the system, and the solution here isn’t to tweak the premade vs pug balance. The solution is to replace the core system. (Which Blizzard did do, and it was one of the best changes in WoW history.)
The difference between Vanilla and Classic is there just were not many Premade now there just all you get in AB and WSG maybe the Ranking should be totally linked to kills so no kills no Honor and you go into a AB as a Premade and the other side is also a Premade and you give up once the other side caps 3 Bases then your Honor will be very low,… Force the premades to fight when they meet a Premade that would be a good idea…
I do agree that the same system was in play in Vanilla but it was not taken over with Premades wreaking WSG and AB for Pugs,… Classic has seen a 100 fold increase in Premades,… I love to see it so premades v Premades and Pug v Pug could be done at least that would even things out.
That’s not how I remember things. For a while in Vanilla I tried to go for a medium rank, because I was far too casual to join PVP guilds and grinding endlessly. I gave that up primarily because the PUGs I was joining were demolished by premades most of the time.
This may differ based on location, but the current situation is definitely very familiar to me from back then. The main difference I can see is that the top players now are way better at the game. (We were all kind of noobs back in Vanilla.)
I would agree we were noobs I was on Ravencrest EU PVP and tended to find in BG’s AB and WSG Premades were few it was mostly pugs v pugs which were fun and gave PVP something to play for you new you were about equal and it was may the best team win,… Like you I was far too casual for top ranks family and work ect, So I went mid-range Knight-Captain which is what I want to try for now one more rank up and I will be there,… But because WSG and AB were so much fun and 99% pugs even after gaining the rank I wanted I still went back on and off for the fun not to rank but just to let off steam LOL,… Were as now it’s like NO FUN so won’t be going back.
Yes i would agree on that but is the game more fun,… NO its lost that FUN that makes you want to come back and back again,… Its Min-Maxing in the BG’s like WSG or AB at its worse !
Thanks all for your replies, it’s positive to know other people share my opinions on this. I appreciate hearing from those who do not as well, along with helpful suggestions.
Ultimately whilst Premades did exist in Vanilla I believe now that players understand the system its far more widely known how to exploit it. Ultimately leading to a large increase of Premades VS PUGs.
A lot of people only play and grind gear for a competitive edge in PVP, if you continue to ignore this problem a large player base who sub for PVP will continue to leave.
Whilst I’m a big believer in no changes, some changes are just if they are representative of the times.
If its not fun to be IN a Premade and not fun to FACE a Premade what is the solution? Quit?
I totally agree with you on the problem and people are leaving maybe leaving PVP and some leaving the Game,. Another point that’s not I think been mentioned people leaving PVP even if still playing PVE in game, Just not doing PVP decreases the pool for PVP on the server that I am sure make’s it harder for those including the Premades to Rank up ?? If that’s true then premade’s are not only driving Pugs away from PVP but there also making it harder for there own Ranking Up,…
Real rankers just boost the pool, and less solo players just means fewer potential bracket breakers. Ironically, if all solo queuers on a server quit playing, that would be the easiest server to rank up on ever.
Boost the pool, reduce honor caps to the minimum amount, then profit.