Premades... Here we go again

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So for some reason i got really bored in random bgs and thought it would be fun to look at threads and i saw a lot of threads about premades.

For some reason a lot of people are defending premades against solo que ppl.

So lets just make it clear and easy to understand that there is no skill in being a 5/10/15/40 man premade fully geared with full corrupstions (which does 60% of some classes) against undergeared solo que groups if u wanna argue that then dont waste your time cuz its stupid to say its fair etc.

But should premades be in a seperate bracket is kinda a yes for me since i personally can see more problems with premades than their is benefits.

There is no fun in facing a premade on 90% of the bgs half of the team goes afk in the start or half way through. Whenever u get a base in AB example u get 10 ppl from the other faction fully geared etc rushing 10 players thats undergeared and doesnt have a target caller or w/e.

Again that requires 0 skills to win if u are in the premade.

And all the language barrier stuff like who cares man u dont need to speak english to understand what BS/LM/etc is.

Is it annoying that u got some guy speaking some language u dont understand in the chat? Sure it can be annoying but nothing that should be that big of a deal if the guys are just having a good time then who cares

So just to end it off premade bgs i personally dont feel belong in the same bracket as solo qued ppl since a 5 man premade can easily stomp a 15 man random solo qued group.

Its nothing about l2p its purely just the fact that u cant win against a full premade with 15 randoms that arent top geared (like the premade) and dont have voice. Which is a big factor cuz u gotta type out the base and then u gotta wait for someone to read and actually rotate which sometimes dont even happen cuz ppl are to busy fighting and dont have someone telling them it in their ear so they dont have to pay attention to a chat

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U can thank blizzard for adding communities to the game, premade is a big problem atm becouse of that.

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People that defend russian premades all the time are just dumb and braindead.
It’s obvious such people win bg’s all the time with premades. It’s just pathetic really.
What blizzard should do is to mix EVERYONE on regular bg’s like they did on epic bg’s and problem with silly premades is solved. I mean it’s about damn time to do that you lazy blizzard.

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Its really not blizzards fualt its activsions fault. Giving the devs little to no time to fix these kind of problems so it probaly wont be fixed for a while sadly

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???

Before Actiblizzard, we had FULL premades. It was after the Activision fuse that premades were reduced to 5 players per party sign up.


Another anti-premader that doesn’t know what he’s talking about. I’m not even surprised any more.

Oh, another one


Separate regions can only be teamed with one another because people spent god-knows how long on the forums crying that they couldn’t understand what their teammates were trying to say.

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Miylee, you sound very politcal, generalising everyone under the label ‘anti-premader’. Sounds ridiculous


Back in the day we could make premade for full BG’s and it was glorious. That was the fun, and you’d join a premade and the leader would make plans.

Nowadays people are exploiting the game to create premades against random solo queuers. I’m not just talking 5-man premades either, I’m talking full 10-15man premades who queue at the same time and talk over discord to see if they all got the queue pop. 99% of the time they’d all join the BG together.

Get your head outta your backside and think of solutions, unless you prefer easy braindead wins from trashing randoms in your exploiting premades? hm?

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The gear cap , no corruption ppl and players without essence in rnd pvp causing people to queue as 5 people.

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Said 440 ilvl pala who wants russian 480 carriers in his team xD

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Hi everyone, hope your weekend is going well.

I play alot of BGs you can see from my profile that BG wins is about 50% even split, Russian/Ukraninan premades haven’t really been a serious problem for me. If it was my win/loss % would be awful if it was.

If you want to make a premade yourself you can, I remember doing this with a couple of buddies, had so much fun and you can really make a difference between winning and losing.

Language I find is not a problem BG lingo is universal, def 3 bases, kill EFC, etc, etc

I think it is disrespectful to Ukrainians to call them Russian, it is like calling Irish people English. Don’t forget Ukrainians use acryllic too :slight_smile:

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Welcome to the forums Abacabb; we generalise when speaking of large groups of people when we don’t know any of them individually. That’s how discussions work.

If people are dodging the premade restrictions via queueing for the same battleground and only joining when in the same game as each other; how is a solo queue going to stop that? Hm?

Right now, this is only possible because queues are long because people generally aren’t interested in battlegrounds. The solution is simple: make battlegrounds great again.

That line is obviously a joke, but you understand what I mean. If battlegrounds are enjoyable, fun and/or rewarding, people will actually bother playing them again. More people playing - a much bigger player pool and less premades. Well, it’ll probably still be the same amount of premades, but they’ll be spread out more.

If you’re going to use this kind of speech; pick your opposition better.

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And somehow you think you’re on the correct side of this? You’re hating on people who are tired of exploiters and try to come up with ideas or just want to vent their frustration. You come here for easy glory points so when you hit “reply” you can turn around and stroll to the kitchen feeling as though you’re a wall of righteousness righting the wrongs while you stir your tea holding a self-gratifying smile on your face.

This isn’t something you win glory from, we’re all sick of battlegrounds due to the good BG’s being the random selection less and we’re stuck on azerite farm beach for the tenth time in a row while being farmed by full pre-mades.

I think forcing a solo queue would work to an extent, as 10 people in discord waiting for a queue pop to join together, solo queues would likely pop much more often at random occurrences making it more difficult to define the one they should all join on. If they’re lucky maybe 3 of them join together, and that’s hardly their vision of a roflstomp premade is it?

There are other subversive means to tackle this, but I think Activision aren’t interested in fixing it. I personally suggested allowing full premades in the group finder for BG’s, and solo queuers can join one of those as they would pug a raid or a m+.

There are ways to refine this too so it would work I believe.

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Try reading what I’ve actually said. I corrected misinformation, rather than choosing a side. I also hinted that from my experience, this is a common occurance with the anti-premade brigade.

I’m going to require evidence of exploitation. You’ll have to forgive me for not just taking your word for it.

Actually I came here to correct people when they’re wrong, and to express an opposing view to the status quo. You see, what you people are completely overlooking is that it’s small communities and groups of friends that get screwed over by having separate queues.

But like the common socialist, I assume you don’t care about the price for something because you’re not the one paying it.

“Glory”?

You actually think the pre-made part makes any difference here? Powerscaling is beyond stupid, it’s way worse now than any other expansion.

If you think 3 is fine, then what is the difference between 3 and 5 (the current cap)? And what do you think “their vision of a roflstomp premade is”?

You’re going to have to answer that by following your own “code of conduct”. I.E. not doing the thing you criticised me of doing. So that means no generalising and and hating on people and without somehow thinking you’re on the correct side of this.

And as I said earlier:

Activision ALREADY worked towards reducing premade activity by capping partys at 5.

Furthermore, what makes you think this is even a problem in the first place? How on earth are a company hosting an MMORPG; a genre designed for players to team up and work together; supposed to see teaming up and working together as a problem?

Protip Abacabb; just because YOU and a few others don’t like something or something isn’t the way you want it, doesn’t mean it’s a problem. And to add to that, you literally ignored what I said to you to begin with.

Your battleground problems aren’t because of premades, it’s because battlegrounds right now just aren’t fun and entertaining. You’re using “premades” as a scapegoat, just as you did with Activision.

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agreed, random BGs are totally pointless now. its ruined pvp :frowning: everyone is in a premade so if u jsut Q solo like i do its just a loss every single time

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Oh really? defently dindt know that and if i did that how would that fix the problem it would just make it worse smh

I know that u dumbo but doesnt change the fact that ppl can just make 5 man groups and wait for the que to pop for everyone smh you arent that smart of you pro-premader

And even if its only a 5 man premade you can easily win the bg against 10 undergeared ppl if u only got 3-5

Yep luckily on alli atleast i get some sort of a 50/50 win rate depending on what time you do it on the day alli actually wins a lot when its really early or late. Not everyday ofc but its pretty consistant

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I’d say by your mentality, you’re the socialist here. You specifically come here to correct people when they’re wrong (in your opinion since you’re not laying down any factual evidence either, it’s just your word) and to express an opposing view. Well aren’t you clever, this is why I think you’re a smug type, looking down on everyone here from your throne lauding your intelligence for your own self gratification. Do you tell yourself this is a necessary chore? That you’re the good one fighting the real fight when expressing these views? Go on, pat yourself on the back a bit harder why don’t you.

Small communities can be catered to, me and my friends sometimes join a queue and we’re still waiting 30-45minutes for a game, only to find ourselves on azerite beach again facing off another full 15-man premade. It’s either russians or horde traitors queuing alliance for shorter queues and easy wins, again likely exploiting the game so they can all join together as a 10-15man team.

And it’s not just me and a few others who take my perspective on this, it’s nearly anyone I meet in-game, people I meet in BG’s who also vocalise their disappointment. You’re actually in the perceived minority here, and joining as a team of 5 isn’t a problem, unless you actually believe people don’t cheat the game to join as a full team of 10-15 in a BG? Please, wake up and see what’s actually happening, I’ve watched recording of people actually doing this and joining as a full 40-man raid in epic BG’s ok. We all know it happens and we all hate it.

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Ukranians hate russian the most . And we (mostly) prefer to play in the English -speaking community.

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just play epic bgs if they’re that much of an issue or join a bg community

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It happens in epic bgs aswell and joining a community to do premades yourself isnt gonna fix the problem just make it worse

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U know russians doing premades in epics also with 30 man+ after work times.

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we almost all agree about that, premades should be in their own bracket it is just common sense.

Ofc a couple of braindead sometimes try to convince these are not stomping premades but simple “group of friends”
 Winning with a premade against PUGs make them believe they are actually good players and they don’t want their toy to be broken.