I think it would be much better if in Classic premades are matches against other premades and not against solo q players. I think the current setup kills the fun for the both sides:
a) if you are solo q you just chill at gy not releasing until it is over
b) if you are in premade, it becomes more a chore to just stupidtly farm honor with no real pvp involved
Itās easy right, so hereās what you do. You open up your guild tab and say āHey guys, anyone wanna join for WSG?ā, then you invite them to your party.
You then look at your party and realise ādarn, I only have 4 players. I need 6 more!ā so you type /2 āLF Hunters, priests and a druid for WSG!ā. Keep spamming that until you have a team.
Then you go to the battlemaster and you sign up for a game of WSG.
You are not answering the question, right? In my post I have said that premades should be matched against premades, to which you have answered:
Great, we are talking about the same thing here. So is there a mechanism to make a group to play against other premades? Right now there is none, you are randomly matched against either pugs or other premades
According to these forums, the only people in the battlegrounds are premades so according to these forums you should have no issue being matched against a premade anyway.
The problem is that they donāt want or look for this because then that will mean they no longer can easy win and farm those solo players as a premade.
Besides even if I wanted to join premade vs premade, the majority of the premade groups are using gear score which is a joke. Hence not everyone can join because people use this stupid retail gear score at lvl 25 in classic. What a joke!
The problem is that a lot of you canāt even decide what a āpremadeā is or how a separate queue would even work. Solo queue only, or group queue of up to 5, like in TBCC and retail?
We can discuss the problems with each of those once you have decided which form of āsoloā queue it is that you want.
My friend, you are again not answering the question. It feels like you are trying to make it into some form of crap throwing at each other.
I donāt think I have ever tried to make a definition in my posts here, havenāt I?
So what are your conerns with having a separate premade queue and a separate solo queue. For simplicity, letās consider groups >= 5 men to be a premade.
Not an ideal system, of course, but in my point of view it will make solo experience much nicer and premade experience much more reasonable as well. What do you think?
Seperating ques without adding a huge advantage for premades will straight out kill premades. Finding a grp will be nearly impossible and instead people will que random. As a result we have less interaction, eleminated a incentive to form groups and get toxic and chaotic solo bgs. (I really dont understand why someone would miss that)
If we add advantages for premades, then we will split up players. Its gonna be difficult to balance the advantage and make sure both versions get good que times. And even then, we have overall less group forming and a split up playerbase.
Honestly the best way would be to just ignore the crying and wait until every last player has adapted. The meta will be full of groups looking for members, a lot of interaction and new friends to be made, a lot of community, and also decent gameplay. Casual premades are a thing and people can find groups in no time. All for the price of ā¦the convenience to insta que into a badbg to get fast dop.amin.
Thatās what Retail does, and so does WoTLKC (introduced during TBCC. Originally added in Cataclysm) and it works for me. However, it doesnāt fix the game ācompletelyā for āsoloā players. Retail still has people complaining about unfair mismatches and what not.
That system would work perfectly for me; but itās still not a āsoloā queue per se, and gives people the wrong impression.
Itās not perfect, but separating āgroupā queue from āraid group queueā is the fairest way of doing things; so long that raid group queue offers increased rates in terms of rewards otherwise it would die instantly.
how do you know that? you got yourself a underestimation on people you defend, if they are PvPers for real, they gonna still do premades, there is appeal on both categories
this canāt be the definition of a PUGs vs PUGs
PUGs vs PUGs have soul and charm
Premades vs Premades meta-gangsters of the Owl have their appeal too
So why not separate queues? You real PvPer can understand it right?
This chips you are defending, start to be a dictatorship
i donāt think Blizzard need this type of reputation for their game
you canāt always force people to be meta, this is full of badstress, wow is not designed to be a job
separate queue for the sweaters and the chillers is needed
And then you stomp people who are just looking for some quick bg fun.
And the funny thing is, that you can still write your guild mates, and realize you need 6 more players, a healer and druid when you sign up for premade vs premade too.
The only thing you are after is to stomp and make other peoples game time awful.
You wouldnāt miss your possibility to do premades of they made it so premades face premades only.
If premades fight only premades and pug vs pug, then everyone would get what they want. I canāt understand why people have problems with that. Especially since everyone claim to do premades for te social aspect and for te organized aspect. You would still get that with a premade vs premadeā¦