The queues are a player problem. more PVPers want to play Horde, less PVPers want to play Alliance. How do you expect Blizzard to make the PVE Alliance sign up for battlegrounds?
I’ve told you several times over why pug vs pug is bad for the game and each time, you ignored it.
The reason people are telling YOU to join a premade is because YOU have a problem with the system. The system isn’t made to adapt to YOU.
Have you read the posts of this forum? like 3/4 dont want premades but dont even explain why unlike me and a few others. Adapting in this case would be the premade being put vs the premade and watch them go at it, while we play in our pugs. why should adapting go from hard to easy but not easy to hard i think you have the wrong understanding of what adapting is. It will make it difficult for the premade rankers sure, but thats when everyone is on equal playing ground because now solo players are in the gutter while rankers stomp others.
Yes. Have you? Have you paid any attention to the number of people posting on this forum? On average, there aren’t even enough posters here to make up one AV game.
It doesn’t matter WHY you don’t want something, aspecially when the “something” that you don’t want is a core part of the classic experience.
No, that would be the game adapting to you. The game changing because you want it to suit you.
Classic wasn’t made to suit you. And if you werent made to suit Classic, play something else.
Please, don’t try to teach me a language that you yourself struggle to speak. Here; I’ll help:
" verb
verb: adapt ; 3rd person present: adapts ; past tense: adapted ; past participle: adapted ; gerund or present participle: adapting
make (something) suitable for a new use or purpose; modify."
In this context, you wish for the game to adapt to you: I.E. you want the game to be modified to suit a new purpose: pleasing you.
Instead, YOU should be the one to adapt. Modify your playstyle (As in, join a damn premade) to better suit the current meta of ranking.
Classic isn’t about everybody being equal; that’s retail’s motto. Perhaps that’s where you should have stayed.
Classic is about equality of opportunity, not equality of outcome.
Okay then why are you here acting like you are all classic and all up in this?
What do you know about the hours i put in this game and what my experiences are? You are just trying to start something in the forums because probably you are lacking attention from elsewhere, having the protection of your oh so great screen and talking down to others. Dude you dont like my post get out , i want people who have the same experiences and issues as me to write them out so the incompetent devs who you claim dont change classic for the player (lets not forget layering) do something about this. If you are a premader i hope this changes, and you have to face only premades from now on and experience what it feels like being in our shoes.
Because I’m somebody that has been here for many years now. I’ve watched the game change, I’ve seen which attitudes lead to those changes and I’ve seen the outcomes of them.
Classic was supposed to be a fresh start, a recreation of an old game lost to time. It was made because people spent over a decade trying to convince Blizzard that the original game was good and that they genuinely wanted to play it.
It wasn’t made under the conditions that Blizzard fix all of the old bugs and exploits and it wasn’t made under the condition that Blizzard try to dictate the way that players play.
Your hours and experiences are utterly irrelevant. You’re asking for a game to be changed to suit you, because you don’t like the way that people play it. You think that your little change will magically make the game better for you without having any major consequences.
You are incapable of critical thought.
False. I’m here because I enjoy converseing with people. I enjoy discussions and I love learning the minds of those who think differently to me.
Attention is irrelevant.
That’s not how the world works.
Incompetent devs? They developped this game based on what people asked for: Vanilla. They’ve already tried to make some changes to make the game feel more like the past. Know what the results of those changes are? Spell batching, and I think a large majority of players hate that.
Furthermore, you can’t demand that you only be surrounded by people that share your view and support you. That’s called a “safespace” and it’s the laughing stock of the internet.
Yes, lets discuss layering. Layering was made to counteract a change to the game. The game was overflowing with players on certain servers, with caps almost 4x as high as Vanilla’s original cap.
Blizzard changed the player cap, then had to make layering to fix the problem created by said playercap. See, you get one change and then suddenly you need another bad change to fix your first.
I’m actually not.
You’re not a victim. Like those premaders, you have every opportunity to join a premade.
is this what you are doing with me?all you are doing is telling me to go back to retail and about my feelings being hurt. Dude honestly i probably play the game more than you and i have been around for quite a while it doesnt mean i have to post it on the forums too. “Oh look at me boys i have been playing this game for 15 years” , am i cool now too? are my arguements more valid? the fact that you are saying the devs are not incompetent shows you know nothing about the game. The amount of times the game had some bad changes implemented because they thought were good, or general balancing or i could go on. Yes you need feeddback to fix these things, but if you keep doing the same mistake over and over i will not call you good you are far from that.
I am not saying i am victim, i just dont like starting the game and having to face groups of people who think they can “play” game because they are in a group. Vanilla has no skill in pvp compared to retail. Some classes are designed to be better than the others, maybe the competent devs would have noticed that and made changes. And yeah about the layering it was just a change to get more people to play the game meaning more money, GAME ADAPTING TO PLAYER.
As you claim there shouldnt be changes why arent you here complaining how layering has destroyed the economy of many servers ? I dont see you going about saying that layer hopping is bad and black lotus monopoly is messing up the prices.
Because you’re asking for a feature better suited for retail: separating people.
Experience is worthless if one lacks the intellect to learn from it.
Do you even have an argument? All I’m seeing is a rant.
I wouldn’t talking about what people know if I were you.
We can discuss some of them if you want. My respons eto each mentioned change will be the say though: “That’s exactly what people asked for”. Everything that you find bad about retail was asked for by other people.
Every feature that made the game worse and worse was asked for because people didn’t find some aspect of the game “fair”. Which is exactly what you’re doing when asking for seperate queues.
So Blizzard should stop making the mistake of listening to people’s “I wants” and “this isn’t fair!”? I agree entirely, which is why I’m outright opposed to seperate queues.
You’re playing the victim. That isn’t the same as announcing “help pls mean old Miylee is bullying me”.
Then perhaps you shouldn’t play a GROUP game? It really is that simple.
Why would developers make changes to a game that people asked for? If people wanted Class balance, they wouldn’t have wanted Vanilla. It isn’t the developers fault that you didn’t know what you wanted.
Hell, Brack even told you that you don’t want Vanilla. You think you do, but you don’t; remember?
Layering was introduced because people stubborning stuck to their full and overcrowded realms. You’ve clearly just implied that layering was bad. If a change made to fix a “problem” that people were crying about is bad; what on earth makes you think that a change made to fix a “problem” that you’re crying about could possibly end well?
How exactly does your brain work? If at all, that is.
Layering HASN’T destroyed the economy. Huge server caps, way higher than original Vanilla; destroyed the economy.
And why would i complain about layering? There’s enough people doing that already. A series of “yeah man i agree X is bad” posts don’t interest me, at all.
Lack of available Black Lotus is the reason the price is sky high. Vanilla had the same amount of Lotus spawns as Classic, which was barely enough for a server cap of 3.5k. How the hell would the same amount be sufficient for a population of 12k?
Even with a layer, that’s twice as many Lotuses in the game. Enough to sustain a server cap of 7k. That’s still barely enough Lotus to sustain 60% of the server.
Not only that, but MORE people raid now than in Vanilla, so there’s even more demand for the Lotus than back in the day.
"Layering was introduced because people stubborning stuck to their full and overcrowded realms. " This change was basically made so they can get more people in to play the game, meaning more money for the company. Do you think they care about peoples attempts to log in the server? This proved by all the beta tests and stress tests that they couldnt even handle it.(Incompetence once again) and dont say its not, with the amount of resources and data analysts blizzard has they should have expected all of these changes, and performed better.And if layering wasnt a bad change why was it removed? Maybe because people were layer hopping and farming items not leaving anything for others. as you said “Lack of Black lotus” its not lack when its a group of people getting them all and doing a monopoly on it. They control it, and the availability that is sold so the price can be monitored easily.
Retail is basically the evolution of feedback over the years, and people still complain about it even if it was them who asked for specific changes. Even if people ask for something to come back doesnt mean it was good to begin with.
They even removed moonwalking and wall jumping. Legit the most exciting way to explore in this older version. Why was that removed?
Anyway lets just agree to disagree you dont want to see from my point of view because of your claims okay, but dont come and tell me i am wrong. I have made my arguement and explained it because of experience if you dont exxperience the same thing then you shouldnt even post here (inb4 the world doesnt work that way ) I think if you were in my shoes and in your free time you try to get some pvp in but all you do is face a premade after premade after premade then you would get angry at this system too. Right now you are just standing there telling us we are wrong without even experiencing what we do. And dont tell me you do because if you yourself play pvp every single day and try to solo rank up but dont have a problem getting stomped by premades all day then you are full of you know what So its either try and see where we come from or dont bother us man.
And enough about the game in general this topic is about premades we really went off topic here, but i was trying to make a point.
They would have gotten the same people into the game by opening more servers regardless. Having massive servers wasn’t about getting more people, it was about having less work managing those people.
Yes. If people can’t log in to actually play what they’re paying for, they request refunds. That isn’t a good business model.
Layering was a bad change, I didn’t say it wasn’t. I said the first change (overcapped servers) was the reason for layering, and that having such huge servers was a bad thing.
One guild per server doesn’t determine the price of Black Lotus. And the majority of the people “monopolising” it do so with bots.
On that note. Lets play into your little fantasy that one guild can control an entire server’s BL market using layers. If a guild can control the BL market using layer hops… Why would they suddenly NOT be able to do that with a single spawn?
Infact, a single spawn means EVEN LESS BL in the world, meaning less supply to meet the current demand. If the supply gets lowered and demand stays the same, the price increases. Welcome to economics.
That’s essentially what I said. Blizzard changed the game for people and they were still unhappy, so why should they change the game for you?
Good and bad are subjective terms and are utterly irrelevant when describing a game. If people ask for something back, then they have their reasons for wanting said thing back.
Because those things were limitted greatly in Vanilla. Classic is based on 1.12.1, the end of Vanilla. Which is why we also don’t have Blood Plagues and Living Bombs in Ironforge and why we don’t have Paladin’s with infinite stacking reckoning.
You don’t have a point of view here. You’re unhappy with the way people play the game and you think that if Blizzard change the game to suit you, that suddenly people will follow suit and play to your needs too.
They won’t. That isn’t how the community works.
Too late: you’re wrong.
No, you haven’t. You’ve cried about something and then derailed the point of your own thread under some misconception that this will somehow distract me from the underlining point.
You’ve driven your thread across multiple different topics thinking that you can use those as examples to back your claims up; when they hilariously prove me right; change is bad.
I’d get frustrated, yes. But I wouldn’t demand that the game change to suit me. I get frustrated at people trying to dispell me, I get frustrated and mages keeping me CC’d, I get disheartened when a nw phase is released and suddenly I (as my guild’s armoursmith) have a new reputation to grind.
But those are parts of the game, those are my frustrations. It is my duty to deal with them and to find solutions to them, rather than to cry on the forums.
Cute. What was it you said earlier about “u dont know what I’ve experienced”? Should we add hypocrisy to your list of personal flaws?
If that’s a problem for you, then we’re straight back to square one, aren’t we?
Nothing will happen. We move into later phases of the game, less people premade because honor gear is no longer BiS and generally isn’t worth the grind; you puggers then start crying about people using OP raid gear and one-shotting you.
Then we move into TBC, where people premade at the beginning for some fast honour points for their entry level resilience gear. After that, premading takes a backseat for a while and puggers cry about people using arena gear in random battlegrounds.
Always the same ppl abusing retail buggs, and they be like “this isnt retail, go back to retail” sorry classic wasnt there to abuse the buggs. The community changed, so the game has to. If you are not aware to understand this you are the one wrong here. We are in 2020 not in 2004
Well, on my heart it’s mostly horde having premades…
And yeah, they should do something about it. And they should ban AFKERS and delete whole reputation from their characters, because even if it’s pug vs pug people in EVERY single bg go afk and they don’t give a s… about the others and about the game. And report afk option does nothing, they are not kicked like in retail. They afk for the whole match.
What on earth are you talking about? Vanilla was notorious for bug exploitation.
The game hasn’t changed all that drastically. The only difference now is that instead of only the very top people playing efficiently, the majority of players are playing efficiently.
Utterly redundant comment.
…Aren’t you the person that was saying dual-spec is needed?
Oh yes, bg’s right now arent worth paying for.
If the game was free I wouldn’t say anything.
But paying money for this? I don’t know…
“Make your own premade” some say
How long does that take?
When you have an hour to play every now and then
“Then maybe this game isnt for you” some say
I pay exactly as much as you do
The root of your whole argument is against the bots not what OP is asking here. so the solution to your frustration bombarding these premade posts is protesting against the bots. you are stuck in a paradox of your own hypocrisy when you imply to others ‘‘this game should not be the way you want it to be’’ while that is exactly what you want it to be, to play as a premade with friends and stomp pugs ruining their entire pvp experience while not falling behind the ‘‘bots’’ and if they write a thread you tell them to join premades and be like you because that is righteous and logical. and god forbid if that doesn’t happen the friendly premade party of yours will get ruined and less honor than a solo queue. Hypocritical at It’s finest. smh
So its either try and see where we come from or dont bother us man.