Premades should be stopped

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No, it isn’t. The root of my entire argument is that a “simple change” isn’t simple at all and has a series of repercussions.

My argument is that changing the game to cater to solo players is exactly what retail did.

Nothing I have said is hypocritical in the slightest.

The game isn’t supposed to be the way I want it, it’s supposed to be the way it was.

I would benefit greatly from solo queues, yet I’m opposed to them anyway.

I don’t play in premades.

I don’t play in premades.

That isn’t what hypocrisy means.

All of your points have been wrong; do you actually want to continue this or just start over from the beginning?

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When I read you answers, I’m just ignoring xD

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Is that what you said to your teachers during your school days?

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AV premades were also authentic. Give us AV premades back.

Oh wait, what, wasn’t intended to work that way? Horde was QQing about getting stomped after 2h queue? Well, same for WSG/AB prems now, so sorry, but FO. It’s so weird when people keep talking about “authentic” stuff after all this drama with AV prems and crap fixes that followed…

Adapt to the game? Why didn’t horde adapt for AV prems? Oh it was very hard to reroll ally? Oh you wanted to play horde for animations? Well, Blizz adapted game for you, so don’t complain. Now we want Blizz to adapt game for everyone and make it actually playable.

#nochanges didn’t happen, so who cares now

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Actually it was Alliance puggers who complained when Alliance premades dodge queues and dropped queues leaving a handful of alliance pugs alone vs 40 horde over and over and over. The alliance premades was circumventing the queue limitation to gain an unfair advantage over other alliance rankers who did not exploit the queue system.

At no time in Vanilla retail could only one faction form full raid premades in AV. The situation was unique for Classic and was clearly an exploit in the modern rules. That’s why it was hotfixed 3 times.

I played both Horde an Alliance at that time grinding rep. It wasn’t fun for any puggers on any side in this specific pug battleground. Horde have never had 2h queue for me. Max 45min. The long queue is why horde generally are more motivated though. I have always seen the long AV queue as a huge benefit. I can farm gold and do world pvp and it doesn’t really affect ranking as that’s compared to other horde.

It’s really absurd to use premades in a specific pug battleground as any form of argument in a thread that complain about premades…

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Something else i would like to add in this conversation since we are talking about battlegrounds , why is the queue putting you on an ongoing game where it finishes 1 minute right after you join.I waste 1 hour in queue to join something for 1 -2 minutes. Before you all start bashing me again about this now, just think about this happening to you atleast 2-3 times per week. Thats pretty much wasting 3 hours of waiting for nothing cause of an insta finish.

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Because people leave and the queue system doesn’t register that the game is nearly over, only that there is now a spot open for a new person to join.

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I will say its Both Sides Alliance & Horde preMade messing up AB and WSG most times I go there as a Alliance pug and come up against a Horde premade AB they cap all Bases and everyone ends up at the start GY and in WSG the same just camp the GY and rule,… I No longer Play WSG or AB waste of time and am doing AV just till I get the Rank I want which is one more to go,… Then I will never ever go back to PVP… Vanilla PVP was Fun PVP Classic PVP is not fun and is slowly dying.

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Yes that i understand but id say this is pretty bad too, imagine how much honor is wasted from this happening all the time and ever worse your irl time, its not like we are free to play 20 hours per day.maybe thats why you see all those afkers in aV not putting in effort and leeching, i mean i could understand the turn off in that.

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Easy solution to that problem, if blizzard wanted to fix it, if the BG ends within 10 minutes for a NEW player joining an ongoing BG make the next queue of same BG skip half the queue time.

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Or like even give him priority in the next “fresh” instance, but no blizzard has to waste our time and make us have to requeue for another hour.
Also something else i noticed is when you queue for a BG while in queue for AV in order for you to do something while waiting doesnt actually work. What i am trying to say is, if the queue is 1 hour and lets say you join immediately an AB which takes 30 mins to finish, that doesnt mean you have 30 mins left of the queue, that means the queue was paused and you still have an hour . All the times i tried it if the queue time was 1 hour it would pop at 1 hour 30 mins.

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That affects both sides but the horde worse with que times, On alliance side I have queued up and gone in and found I have walked into a AV were horde are just about to kill alliance boss and bang no kills no nothing and back to re queuing up only thing is on Alliance less queuing time,… What always gets me is those that leave a AV BG be it Alliance or Horde with like 1 min or 2min till it’s over what do they gain no token or tokens, The alliance or Horde boss is being killed only takes a few mins if that, So why the hell leave the AV with like 1 or 2 min left, Why not just wait it out till the end and get tokens.

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And its not like this is a new issue, this has been going on for ages now with no fix and its not like the other people are ok with it either, i mean at the end of the day we are just missing our valuable time. Also about the queue with us , well do you play retail? cause the best example i could give for this is the LFR queue. Starts off by saying 20 mins eta, then it will move up to 40 then an hour and about to pop at 1 and a half hour.Their system is garbage and thats the truth. I mean i get it there might not be that many alliance playing or something and thats why its having a hard time finding a game but thats their job to make it happen, at the end of the day if i do 5 AV in 1 day it comes down to 5 hours for the queues plust about 30 mins (minimum) of AV cause if its a turtle game you are seeing another hour right there. So that sums up to 10 hours ingame in a day. Also queues in the morning are ever worse starting at 5 am up to 9 i would say its like 1 and a half to a 2 hour queue now.

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Then only way your get your BG’s is from the making Alliance Bots or Horde v Horde Blizz cant magic up real Alliance players to play against,. if there just are not any to play against.

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The mercenary system wouldnt be bad but we would aggro the no changes crew by saying that :stuck_out_tongue:

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I totally agree.

When we have 8, 9, sometimes even more, premades in a row, it’s a real problem. I litteraly have no pleasure doing BG because of that.

Most of my guildmates stopped PVP, so I tried to join premades from my server, which was fun at the beginning, until I ended up thinking that wiping PUG out as if they were nothing was one of the stupidest video game experience I ever had.

Seriously why can we split BG between SoloQ and Premades once and for all ? I mean…come on…we are asking this for months, just DO IT, please.

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Just because you’ve asked for something for months doesn’t mean that it’s do-able and more importantly: doesn’t mean you should.

Classic is a game focussed on teamwork and group play. If you don’t like that, play something different instead of trying to force your “i wanna play solo and separate people” mentality on the game. There’s a place for that kind of mentality; it’s called retail.

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Sad to say its that Attitude that will kill a lot of what’s good in Classic classic should and Vanilla did work for both Team and solo players I know as was there in Vanilla,. some people have real life’s that means team working like premads with set days and hours of BG’s does not work does not mean that Solo players should not have fun either and Blizz should work with that to make it happen… Saying ( Nochanges ) is a joke because we all know there has been plenty of changes to Classic and people that wanted as near to the original experience of Vanilla as can get well in reality there not getting it because changes to Classic mean it’s not a copy of vanilla its been changed quite a bit. So why not make Adjustments to make PUG AB and WSG closer to what they were in Vanilla ?? Instead of not having a simple fix you would rather have AB and WSG spoiling parts of the game and making people leave PVP or leave the Game is that what you really want to turn round and say at the end of the year Classic is dying because so many are leaving the game ?? People stay and play because a game is fun take that away and they will leave simple.
I guess I could go Multi Boxing and get the best of Solo and Team work my own Team played Solo and in a BG be my own Team now that’s a thought, Just that I like to Team work with real players across the Game and solo work when it best matches my needs not be forced to team work because Premades in PVP have made Pugging PVP unplayable.

Ps I wont be going back to retail because I left retail with WTLK R/L took me abroad and when I came back a friend told me they was on Classic so I joined Classic for a authentic experience of what Vanilla was relive old times,. Sad that Classic is not Vanilla and in some parts nowhere near it,. But I stay because my friend and I TEAM up on stuff a lot I also solo play stuff ,… If there is no TBC then I will be unsubscribing I won’t be returning to Retail because in effect I never played retail as it is today…

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No, it isn’t. This attitude is the reason we have Classic in the first place, fore I accept the game for what it is; the good and the bad, rather than demanding that the game be changed to suit my desires.

Yes, I have a full time job. I work most nights during what most would call “primetime”. Irrelevant.

What should happen is that YOU should learn what a paragraph is.

Not all premades are hardcore 24/7 things, most are just casual premades. The reason they even play in a premade to begin with is so that they can weed out which people they want don’t in their group, and so that they can create an actual team composition instead of 1 hunter, 7 warriors and 2 ret paladins.

Using previous changes to justify more changes is blatant stupidity. You’re using a completely unrealted example.

Furthermore, the majority of changes have been bad and have required multiple other changes to fix everything that they broke.

You’re not going to get ANYTHING closer to how it was in Vanilla. People are older and more experienced now. People know what’s good and what it isn’t and people know the best ways to get the best items. You can’t just erase 15 years worth of memories.

Not spoiling anything.

Classic was bound to have a huge drop off.

What is “fun” is utterly subjective and you can’t change something based on that. What you think is fun, others think is dull and idiotic. What you think is an improvement, others think is descecration. That’s how opinions work.

Instead of thinking subjectively, think objectively. Do you really think you’re going to get your magic “nobody cares about what happens” games like in Vanilla? No.

You’re going to get people trying to find the new best honor grind method: because that’s what the ranking system is, a grind.

A word of advice Catboy; argue with somebody else.

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I am gonna mention something else now which has been plaguing my gameplay for weeks now and that is constant DCs in AV i dont know why this is happening, or how to fix it even made a post about it

but nobody seems to know how to fix this, honestly this is getting out of hand with this tr*sh company.i am posting this here hopefully it gets some traction and we find a solution, reason why i am doing it here is because i started getting dced while the queue pops up now and not just in the battleground, and when i log back in i lose the queue . Meaning i just wasted an hour waiting for something wrong with he game. I am honestly tired of having so many issues with this game…