Isn’t it kinda not… fair? Pve’rs get mythic tier sets during progression, while Pvp’ers get their elite sets. But after a certain amount of time a pvp’er can go to old raid and one-shot old bosses and get the set and a mount (ofc with low chance, but still there is a possibility), while elite sets and mounts just… becomes unobtainable.
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I only mentioned skill because you mentioned it as a reason for not bringing it back, and I thought it seemed antithetical to your entire argument, since you said that players are more skillful now
It is. Funny enough that would make it more difficult to get the previous elite sets now, if they were locked behind a 2k-2.2k rating requirement.
So even mentioning past difficulty as an argument sorta goes straight out of the window, really.
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You can try and tell me whatever you like. That doesn’t stop you from being wrong.
You’re sharing an opinion about and argument that doesn’t agree with what you want to believe. That doesn’t make the argument a bad one. It just means that your opinion is different.
Players are more skilful now though. But that doesn’t change the point that the Challenge itself has changed due to changing game tuning etc.
As I said before, watch when Mist Classic finally arrives, players will complete it much quicker and before.
I have an incomplete Shadowlands S1 set (missing head and shoulders) and I’d love it if we could somehow earn these sets.
This idea was thrown around for the last few years.
Even I had thread about it xD
TL:DR
As long as the player can clear skill requirements for the reward, he should be able to get the reward regardless of the time.
On another hand, Blizzard should stop doing time limited content, because those kinds of rewards bread only negative emotions.
Nothing says “Join our game” as the realization that you can’t get something cool, because you didn’t play that one time 8 years ago from X to Y week 
There should be a way to get old elite sets by achieving 2.4k rating (or at least 2.1k) in 2v2 and 3v3, shuffle excluded.
It’s difficult enough, even more difficult than it was back then and will provide a reason for people to play other brackets instead of shuffle.
If you are obsessed that someone else will be able to get the same set you got 5 years ago that you don’t even use, you have your priorities in your life set wrong. Go see a doctor or something.
And the fomo argument doesn’t work because blizz casually put a rare tcg mount as some stream award, which was way more exclusive than some stupid PvP set.
That would be true if I was actually wrong, which I am not.
All that you have to do is give me one actual argument as to why fomo and unavailability on rewards and thus less incentive to participate in rated PvP is a good thing and you have so far done nothing of the sort.
I’m countering your argument by explaining to you why it’s a bad one. You can say that’s “my opinion” all you want but that doesn’t change the fact that your argument lies in pieces.
Indeed, they should allow players to get them by this logic. Imagine if things like Invi were removed… and that’s still a prestige up to this day.
I’d not want to remove any rewards, honestly, as it only induces FOMO.
So I’d also allow one to get the older KSM mounts, namely the death elementals from SL or the end of BfA. I missed the very first one - wasn’t that much a good player back then - and I’d never be able to get it a second time. Others aren’t even given that chance.
It would be nice if you earnt the elite set to be able to buy the off pieces etc from an “elite” vendor or something. I regret not picking up the off pieces for my sets back in MOP/Cata etc. Sadge. Only applies to those who earnt X rating/achievement (like Duelist+)
Every time this discussion comes up it always goes the same way.
At first a case is made by arguing reason through logic. And it makes sense because Blizzard’s design has so many exceptions, irregularities, and incoherence that there’s no logic that dictates that the design must be the way it is.
But then the discussion moves into an ethos space where subjective feelings and personal opinions are brought up.
I believe that rewards being exclusive makes them meaningful. How can you deny that?
I believe that the rewards reflect and memorate the conditions they were earned in. Why should that sentiment not be valued?
Muh prestige!
And then the discussion always goes haywire, because one side will argue logic and another side will argue feelings. And if the premise of an argument isn’t shared, then nothing good comes from it.
It always goes like this.
I think what can be said is that Blizzard will almost always choose the status quo if there isn’t a net-benefit to change. And if the current design is to the liking of one group and the disliking of another, then there’s no net-benefit to changing it, as it would just just swap who likes it and who dislikes it.
Except when there’s a compromise to be had. Blizzard likes to compromise. Some people love flying, some people hate flying, so let’s have flying but not all the time! Yay, compromise!
Another thing to be said is that Blizzard probably have a business interest in keeping the current design. WoW is a subscription-based game, so it’s all about player retention. Get them to log in and come back on a regular basis and keep the subscription rolling. To that end they have an interest in time-limited exclusive rewards, which is likely why the game has moved toward seasons and every aspect – PvP, Dungeons, Raids – have sets, mounts, or achievements that you need to earn before the Season ends if you want them at all.
It’s time-limited exclusive rewards, it’s fear of missing out, and it’s player retention bundled into a modern Live Service game design.
So Blizzard have a business interest in sticking with the current design – especially so long as some of the players give them their blessing for pursuing a design that typically has a bad reputation in gaming.
If there is a compromise that Blizzard might be amiable toward, then it’s perhaps the Trading Post (or Black Market Auction House as was suggested in past discussions on the subject). That way the sets still retain some rarity and some exclusivity as they won’t always be available. And especially in the case of the Trading Post, then it would also provide Blizzard with even more player retention for the same buck, so to speak. They get player retention at first with the PvP Season itself, and then afterward with the sets being temporarily available on the Trading Post. Twice the player retention value for the price of one! Yay business!
But if any change on the matter is to happen, then I think the mood in the community has to shift a bit more. If you post a thread like this in the Arena forum, then it doesn’t get much favor. But it does get more favor than it did 5-10 years ago.
Time probably works in favor of change here, because as time goes more and more people will find themselves having missed out on something for various reasons and wanting the design changed.
But the needle has to move quite a bit more I think, before it forces Blizzard’s hand on the matter.
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I think it’s safe to assume that the vast majority of anyone playing PvP would be happy the sets would be obtainable again simply because it would incentivize a lot of players to go into ranked and thus increase participation and queue times, which has been an issue with PvP for a very long time now and has gotten worse with the introduction of Solo Queue. The queue time for Solo Queue right now is between 20-50 minutes, which is quite frankly ridiculous.
I also firmly believe that the people in favor of fomo are a loud minority, and Blizzard has in the past shown to not really value that stance.
In the next patch for example they’re re-introducing a lot of removed items from Zul’Gurub, which removes the prestige of those who still have those original items.
Ironically enough the current system retains less players than the alternative, due to the lack of player incentive to participate in PvP.
I disagree, I highly doubt they’ll ever give away prior elite sets for free. A more reasonable thing to ask for is to put them on a PvP vendor behind a rating requirement so that it would actually force players to have to play the game to obtain these rewards, which aligns more with their business interests and subscription model, especially if you only get 1 token for 1 elite set from the vendor every season.
That’s been my suggestion for the past many years. Gain the necessary rating. Receive a token. Choose one of any particular set you want.
Let people choose.
I’d like Blizzard to do that, but they haven’t done it yet. Maybe someday.
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Should be the slogan of their company.
But that’s exactly what you’re failing to do.
You’re not explaining that my argument is a bad one. You’re explaining why you disagree with my argument.
That doesn’t make my argument bad. That just means you disagree.
And you haven’t given a reason why you need to have something you didn’t earn.
You FOMO screamers have lost all my respect recently. I am sorry to put you into this group. But I had a very unfortunate experience recently that I will explain.
There was a topic on Reddit recently. I jumped into the comments and wrote that I liked time limited rewards in the game. My post merely expressed what I enjoyed about having new rewards to work towards. I pointed out there were many things that I haven’t collected due to not playing the game at certain times. But when I come back I look at what’s available to me at the time, rather than what’s in the past.
I wasn’t just downvoted. My post was reported, I was sent the Reddit “Someone was concerned about you” private message. I received an inbox full of abusive comments and eventually my account got banned… from all of reddit.
Fortunately, the ban was overturned, and I was able to report the abuse.
However it really showed me the mentality of the player who cries FOMO.
Is there not enough BS going on in the world right now without squabbling about pixel’s in a frigging game smh
Well, here’s the thing imo.
I don’t play PvP because I dislike PvP in WoW in general. BGs, Arena and War Mode. I wouldn’t play it.
But IF I could earn Legion Top 500/Elite sets again or the Plate Set from SL S2, I would be instantly grinding PvP, even if those sets would cost me collecting 5000 currency or something.
I have provided multiple counter-arguments such as how the existence of Classic disproves that the game is ‘best living in the moment’ and that your chosen analogies of soccer and running a marathon go against your own claims that rewards should not be obtainable after an event is over, as both activities have just that; the same rewards each event.
All that you do is you keep repeating that people won’t convince you, that you like time-gated rewards and that it’s simply “a terrible idea” to bring them back without actually explaining why it would be a bad thing and backing it up with a strong argument in favor of fomo content.
At best you’ve given a personal opinion on how you like your own collection to show your journey over the past 18 years that you’ve played the game, but that is nothing but your own preference and does not speak to why it would be better for an MMORPG to work that way in its entirety, rather than to have everyone be able to work towards a certain reward regardless of at which time they choose to do so.
You are not reading my posts if you believe that I am asking for something that I didn’t earn. I am telling you that it is a far better design to have the rewards still be available and to give players the chance to earn them legitimately.
I’ve been saying since the very beginning to put the old elite sets behind a high rating requirement so that people still do have to work for these rewards.
Not once have I stated that they should be given out for free on something like the trading post.
Now explain to me why it is better that you can never get the things you’ve missed out on, instead of just being able to play the game and the events as they were intended and getting all of it the legit way?
There is absolutely no reason to not always have everything available to you, provided that you actually put in the effort required to obtain the rewards.
You even outright write “I enjoyed about having new rewards to work towards”, okay, so then why are you so against returning the old elite sets and putting them behind a PvP rating requirement, so that people can work towards them legitimately?
None of what you wrote speaks to any logical reasoning and while I regret to hear of the unfortunate event that you’ve found yourself in on Reddit, that is nothing but anecdotal evidence and does not actually tell you anything, especially not “the mentality of all players who cry fomo”.
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You’re on a gaming forum and you’re angry that people are discussing a game?
Old elite sets should still require a rating requirement to obtain though. That is kind of the whole point of ‘Elite’.
All that people are asking for is that they are no longer “unobtainable”.
Nobody is asking for them to be obtainable very easily.
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Well, to be fair… Let us say I would earn myself the Elite set for a season, say DF S1. If I get that set, I should have it only exclusively for 2 years, which would mean the exclusivity runs out on 11.0 S1 release. 2 years of an exclusive transmog sounds totally fine to me. I see absolute 0 reason for them to stay exclusive other than to just divide the community and exploit customers (players).
Every time my buddy thought about returning to Destiny 2 and I had to tell my buddy during Destiny 2 era under Activision that Season Pass stuff like guns, armor and shaders (armor colors) would be exclusive and he couldn’t get them anymore since he didn’t play, that made him quit any attempt to return on the spot.
It is just a 
system to work with if you care for new and returning customers. It only serves well to hold already existing core customers under mental pressure like a hostage. That’s the only “good thing” about FOMO.
That being said, I disagree with a rating requirement. Why should someone have to get rating again just to buy an ensemble of old armor from 7 years ago?
In real life we also don’t need people having master degrees for old technology like a typewriter just so they are allowed to use them… And we are talking about textures and polygons in case of WoW as a video game. Something purely cosmetic.