I bought my Vanilla client. I still have the DvD and box. I payed for it and I own it. If I break ToS and connect to a private server its a civil matter and not a legal matter.
If anyone try to take my software away from me they are stealing from me.
Even if it is illegal in some countries doesnt make it immoral. There are all kind of immoral laws in different countries. Not being allowed to use software you bought and payed for is immoral.
I would even claim its stealing not to allow people to use software they bought and payed for. Not by law, but by morality.
Your original WoW Vanilla discs - the client - wonât work by themselves on a Private server - youâd need to download an update - at that point you are actively engaging in a copyright infringement
Itâs no different than watching a film on a pirate download / streaming channel
You have not paid the copyright holder the fee they are owed
Some folk are cool with that - and itâs unlikely youâll ever get a bill - but itâs still dishonest
Dishonest is to sell a product, and when the customer is back at home with his product + purchase invoice, pretend the customer does not own the product.
Wrong, can count on one hand the number of disconnects I experienced in 8 months on ND. There was about 2-3 days of downtime when they got targeted by a script kiddie, but so did Classic and the launch of Classic was just as bad as in 2004.
And right now we are playing Classic with 400ms of ARTIFICIAL LAG, this is infinitely worse than any private server.
Basically, if you could combine ND with accurate values then you would have the perfect server. Blizzard is failing at their own game
You purchased a client - not the game - itâs not a Xbox or play station game - itâs an online multiplayer environment which constant updates and maintenance - you paid to play a specific expansion of the game subject to a subscription from Blizzard
I apologise if the concept is flying over your head - but thatâs simply the reality here
Blizzard have not - at this time - agreed to license any third party to operate their own servers - as soon as you access one you are committing an act of copyright theft
Emulators are allowed in Europe and even in USA. Did you hear about Nintendo or Playstation emulators ?
They are legal, no licenses needed to develop an emulator. This is the reason private servers source code can and is hosted in github (a Microsoft company).
You canât really level that criticism - they are operating their servers as they see fit - which to some does not compare favourably with pirate servers
They have not been closed down (at least no in Europe) by Blizzard. Blizzard only sent cease & desist letters , that are usually ignored.
Nost owners decided to shutdown the server as an act of protest to force Blizzard open vanilla servers. After a month of large scale protests (and almost 300k petitions in change org), Blizzard invited the Nosts team to the Blizzard HQ to present the case for Vanilla.
A company has to take pre-commencement action prior to any formal action through the courts
An individual seeking compensation for breach of contract or personal injury has to do the same
The pirate server operators understood full well that attempting to defend their copyright breaches would be financially ruinous and futile- they would never win
And thatâs the usual outcome with such commercial wrangling
Github does not host pirate servers - itâs hosts the source code so that third party developers can developer - in the case of WoW - AddOns which comply with the Eula and terms if service
And that is quite normal for any platform
You may remember the issues between Apple and Flash - who refused to comply with Appleâs rules to use its source and were blocked from running applications on its operating system - despite much speculation the IT industry has to shift - bend to Appleâs will
So with the greatest of respect - you have no argument here - copyright theft is copyright theft
Sorry but here you have no clue what are you saying ( you are mixing different things up), you can download Nost source code from github (not blizzard code, a private server emulator code), and run a vanilla private server in your computer in a couple of hours. Im not going to put here the link, but is the first result in a google search.
Did you realize that you are denying the reality ? The source code of a lot of private servers are hosted in github, for example Nost source code in github is 3 years old !!! Maybe github did not realize the source code was there for 3 years ?
I feel this conversation is not going anywhere, the different points of view have been explained.
I think itâs enough, Have a good day !
And itâs pplâs crazy mindset that the want 2 many players.
Look I saw the forum.
âincrease the popâ
âremove the queâ
âWe just want to enjoy the gameâ
âadd contentâ
Bum blizzard did what u wanted.
And even that 99% still think that a pretty little server like for example judgement is dead. Therefore none are joining it.
âadd bgsâ
âWe are getting killedâ
Bum bgs
ânow u cryâ
â Too many hordeâ
âfix the wpvp hackâ
âfix PVPâ
âopen PvE serverâ
So what will be next?
In my opinion.
Edit the pop back to 2005 state.
Open like 10 new servers and ban the word, Que.
All would be good.
In the meantime, stop thinking that a server where:
World chat literary is a spammed channel.
Zones have min 50~100 players even not in peak time
There is min 50 of LVL 1, 2 & so on.
U think its good. Open your eyes. That is whatâs killing âur serversâ
Thatâs not a good server thatâs a huge 2019 to crazy server. You all should hat known that those who rolled horde only wanted one thing. (majority) Pvp.
Funny is all this mega bega servers laughed at us one the âdeadâ server cause we asked for more âwhen it was lowâ and before PVP.
Now weâre laughing.
Thatâs the mentality of the players now days.
Nothing to do bout private servers at all.
So rly wtf are u talking about.
Reverse engineering is a complex topic and law differs by region. Similarly software rights. In USA you canât âlegallyâ make a Hackintosh not to mention sell those. In EU you can and all you need is an Mac OS licensed copy. Vendor may not support it but he canât say in EU what you can or canât do with your copy of a software.
Private servers would breach the law if they would distribute game clients so they officially donât do that. But if you have the client then you can connect to that server and not the Blizzard one. Itâs legal although not supported by the vendor in any way. Servers themselves can breach the law when they use Blizzard IP - like if you make money from it, or depending by country be just using copyrighted names, Blizzard assets etc. Some pservers were hit for making money directly from the IP, some that they were using exactly the same numbers as Blizzard did but many managed to just operate without problems by avoiding things they canât do in given country.
As for the servers themselves - they are completely legal unless they use original code of Blizzard server infrastructure (which didnât happened as of now). Basing on client communication protocol people re-implemented the server to make the client work. Similarly how ReactOS is reimplementing Windows to make a Windows compatible system work by fulfilling all the public APIs the system has.
They have docker images and if you like have 1.12 client you can build and launch a server and connect to it with 1.12 client. The client is needed to extract some assets needed for the whole thing to work. The âgreyâ stuff is - is those assets really Blizzard unique IP or not. Older WoW versions have it easier as less is shared over the client-server API while more latest expansion servers are more likely to breach the local laws as more assets is actually exchanged over the API (maybe even explicitly for this).
A server opened by someone not working for Blizzard, thus making it private. This is clearly against the Terms of Agreement and players who have been playing there should know that Blizzard have every right to ban their Battlenet account. I honestly donât care about my account, so hereâs what I have to say about the matter:
There are 2 sides to this.
The good: Without the private server Nostlarius, we wouldnât be playing classic WoW on Blizzard servers now and thatâs a fact. Nostalrius was in every way a better server and gave me a better classic experience than this.
The bad: A classic WoW version 2 would have been much better. In which I mean a completely different game but with the same foundation. This thing has been sucked dry already and that is because of private servers. Players who are trying this out for the first time (maybe since ever or since the official launch) are facing off in PvP against former private server players with full tier raid gear. And thatâs only one of the problems.
Conclusion: The social aspect of the game is on par with whatever expansion is out on the achievement/mount grinder that they call World of Warcraft retail. People are screaming for content because for reasons stated above, they want classic servers to be over with ASAP.
And to the players who look to solo queue in BGs like they did back in the day? Youâre in for a massive dissapointment. Get ready for Hpremades and Apremades dodging each other in other to farm pugs. This was how we did it on Nost and from what Iâve experienced, every horrible player behaviour from every private server on the web (including my own), has been transferred to Classic.
If blizzard had released these severs before Nostlarius, then this woud have been a completely different game and iâm part of that horrible crowd who destroyed non private server players first classic experience.
