Promise 40 man from BWL or Classic players are gone

pretty cheeky accusations, to your luck i wont say stuff like

i dont care about dungeon attunements, or tbc 25 man raids, no reason to remove it, only suggestion would be, to give players are a better overview about the attunements when they start the game in a later phase, so they dont get overwhelmed by so many wow head links

even in the current phase i have allot to do :slight_smile:

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Lmao. No, I know plenty of classic players who are not notoriously stuck in a time loop and able to move forward and thus are saying the exact opposite of OP.

They dont want to do basically the same thing over and over and over again for decades on end. They dont want 40 man. They want to experience this on smaller scale, with unique twists and with a small circle of people whos names they care to remember.

Respectfully, no. No class stacking, no split raiding, no to any sort of meta game performance optimization that becomes forced upon anyone in the form of expectations beyond playing your class and specc well and doing game mechanics.

Changing raid sizes up or down is one of the most destructive and toxic things that you can do as a games developer and I think the sooner the loyalists to the corpse emperor of 40 man raiding are gone, the better.

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We didnt sign a contract

I’m sure that raidleader had the time of his life as well

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Wow, you do seem to have serious self-esteem issues. Maybe consult a psychologist and strive to improve your self-esteem in real life? Then you don’t need to grow your imaginary virtual ego :stuck_out_tongue:

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Tells a lot about this guy when thats one of his best memorys.

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Looking forward to 20man. Much better to organize.
Big W

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The game is Classic season of discovery if it was retail for people who fail at retail I would not join it and not play it and not suggest to ruin their game of no effort and free loot.

Classic is about getting 40 people and making them able to clear the raid, that is getting everyone you can and teaching those who dunno what to do.

Retail and what you want is about being able to pug with ppl who are quick to push puttons, well Classic dont give max loot for agility. You need more skills than pushing buttons you need the skill to build an army/guild.

Just like in real life your army is as strong as it weakest links you are supposed to make it grow like a guild grows.

Retail this, retail that, retail retail retail its all you ever go on about at this point and its getting boring. Stop living in the past man what are you teaching to someone in a 20 year old game that has already been fully min max’d cleared? Your beloved 40 mans aren’t mystical raids that haven’t been touched by the playerbase before they have all be done countless times. An average gamer today isn’t going to struggle with the mechanics that classic gives to them. Especially ones that have dozens of guides and videos for you to learn from before you even step foot into the raid. As i said earlier this was cleared by people in weeks from 0-60 MC to naxx. Anyone who has some previous gaming knowledge can understand classic mechanics. Most people arent gonna go into this Blind progressing.

What you fail to see is that the playerbase has changed a lot from 2004 -2019 and from 2019-2024, The ā€œWeakest linksā€ Will want to play with the better players to get through the content easier, and the better players won’t want to play with the weakest links due to wanting to clear content they have already cleared hundreds of times in a reasonable time frame. Do you honestly expect your 25 best players to stick around and want to carry people through the content when there is no challenge to the content? If the content is easy, which becomes boring eventually. People want fast and efficient clears. That has already been shown with PuGs for gnomer and ALL of BFD. Do you actually believe this is going to change at 60? People will still gate keep the bad players, and the good players will leave the bad guilds in favour for something better because they actually have options.

Your idea of classic might not involve people that can press their buttons right, but for 90% of the playerbase that gets posted in LFG every day it’s something they care about.
hell people already don’t wanna bring people to raid even if they press their buttons right just because their class is currently not meta for the current raid.

The idea of 40man raids back in 2004 were cool, when it was actually a feat for your guild to step into the raid, each week was fun and progress was made. But after 2019 it wont be the same. Now the raid is gonna be cleared first reset there will be no progression since people dont have to discover the fight its all be done before. Raiding isn’t a prestigious feat anymore, it’s content designed for the vast majority of the players to do. Whatever new raids blizzard implement will be harder difficulty than anything you had in era just going off the difficulty jump from BFD to gnomer compared to anything in MC or BWL.

25 good players can carry 15 bad players. But 25 bad players can’t carry 15 terrible players after BWL. The playerbase for the most part is already pretty elitist when it comes to requirements to do ā€œlevelling raidsā€ you think that will change when it comes to actual raiding? ā€˜Most’ People dont want to spend 6 hours clearing the raid let alone all the BS that comes with being a glorified baby sitter, ontop of loot drama that comes with 40man raids. 2004 or 2019 re release people always had some loot drama.
The vast majority of people will take a smooth clean run and collecting their loot over carrying some people to wipe for hours on 20 year old content and then have some loot debate on discord for 2hours after it, I don’t want a second job.

Classic purists had their chance at fresh again with SoM and it was pretty damn unsuccessful even though it was everything you are basically wanting with some added challenge.

Blizzard probably wont remove 40 man raids from being a thing, and its fine. But people will get gatekept. And considering the latest blue post from aggrend says " On the flip side, we also always wanted to make sure that any 40 player raids that exist remain approachable (i.e. able to be completed in pick-up groups) and that they maintain that ā€œsoda and pretzelsā€ feel of 2019 Classic raiding, where you could bring almost any group composition or experience level and have success."

Good luck to any of the people running a trade chat PuG that doesnt have some form of gatekeeping. If your class is underperforming wont get brought, dont have clear exp? don’t get to come to raid, Logs are bad? Just find someone that actually has decent logs.
This will be the reality for a lot of people. And judging by the amount of people that didn’t want to join a guild or make their own group for raids as small as 10 man. GL with 40 :rofl:

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Going 20m instead of 40m is the best thing that could happen… i LOVE it.

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This guy just spitting truth

They should advertise it as season of retail failures and not as Classic so Classic players would never start and invest time into creating guilds that are supposed to clear 40 man content.

It was not advertised as faceroll version of the game for people who can not manage their retail game. It was advertised as Classic with runes and new quests for Classic players.

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Make it 10 man only

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Split the SoD give one version for retail players with 10 man free loot, free gold, skip quest option and free mounts.

And give a Classic version for Classic players with scarce loot, grinding everything and gurglin for each item piece like it was in 2004 so when you have it you feel its something special and not a for free bauble.

Please Blizzard create an own game for people failing at retail and dont ruin Classic for players who want to play like in 2004.

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Retail this retail that… thats all you are capable of saying.

In 40 man raids you can have the literal same experiences as in 20 man and 10 man raids. If you cant realize that then theres something wrong with you.

You are babbling on and on about nonsense like retail features, parsing, free loot and speedrunning or zoomer culture which has 0 to do with the topic about raid sizes.

Do you realize 20 man raids is something that came out in classic?
What about this is a Retail thing?

Is anything you dislike = retail?

Probably is otherwise you wouldnt mention it that much.

You want original classic? Era is a thing you know.

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This is what we got instead of Classic fresh and Blizzard promised to keep 40 man raids so lets hope they keep them from BWL.

20 man i Vanilla was to find extra gear with an optional guildraid for loot. But 40 man is unique Vanilla experience and is supposed to be in Classic, just like TBC Classic is supposed to have 25 man raids with attunements etc itd.

So not everyone gets it and stuff is unique. Also 10 man raid is much easier since you dont need to coordinate people and its not such a fun living chaotic experience of 40 people trying to coordinate stuff. Also both Vanilla and Classic was not meant to be cleared by people who refuse to cooperate with others but 10 man pugs. Not everyone and their mother were supposed to clear naxx by playing ā€œ10 minutes a day due to 100 children, 5 wifes, 3 dogs, 2 cats and 10 jobs IRLā€.

Its Classic it require effort and this season of discovery was meant as something new for Classic players and not something to be destroyed by retail ideas.

You wouldn’t happen to be said guild master, would you ?. Get a life dude. Your posts are beyond cringe. Seriously you REALLY NEED to get away from this game. I don’t think it’s doing anything good for your mental health

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I was promised Classic fresh with 40 man raids at the end so I invested time to make a guild now I expect the raids to be delivered.

At the moment I can not have people I want in my raid cause its 10 spots, 20 man P3 will already be improvement since we get to mix the team much easier.

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Asking for 40man raids pathetic looser. You prob play wow all day all night so raiding 6hours is nothing for you while the rest of us normal people have jobs,companies and other important stuff we do in our lives

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Go to classic era and enjoy your ā€œno wife, no kids, no dogs, no cats, no job and no loveā€ mr. salty :slight_smile:

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