not really
MM Hunter, BM Hunter, Arms, Fury, Outlaw, Feral. These are the classes, which mainly deal Physical dmg.
Arms got their main dmg from bleeds, but the Overpower, Mortal Strike and Execute hits go ham aswell which are pure Physical.
Looking into witch specc too pic disarm is also a inticator, Ret, DH, SV or BM all can use a lot of abilitys without wappon
Dunno vial+feint meant a lot more in say bfa but yeah, I think vs burst classes they generally just go straight through cd anyway. Prefeinting is nice, just feels less rewarding than in the past. Although Ive not been able to play much since sta change, maybe it feels better now.
Prefeinting CC remains good when talented into Elusiveness, but of course it isn’t enough of a trade against major burst cooldowns. And that’s as it should be !
It must be considered a bit differently. You cannot trinket cloak or trinket evasion every single burst because that’s 2min CD. Many times you will have to eat the damage, and your team will have to trade or peel for you. These are the moments pre feinting is amazing as it gives more time to your team to save you. And then the Feint wall combined with whatever your team throws at you becomes great. Lets say you pre feint and your paladin pre uses AM on the enemy go, then you both are in CC and you have basically a Pain Supression on you, that’s very good.
Then there is also the option to use Evasion not specifically to dodge, but to pair it with Feint for a 40% wall.
And last but not least, it’s not so much about pre feinting in the end, this is a bonus if you’re good at it. It’s about Assa just dying to air, to filler damage all the time. Elusiveness is here to weave in Feint in the rotation whenever you feel like enemies have a little too much damage and your healer is out of quick healing buttons (Swiftmend, Radiance, Holy Shock/procs, etc). It helps a lot !
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That’s called pointing out facts.
Complaining is when somebody writes " this stupid class killed me 100-0 through CDs its not fair or balanced blabla" and so on.
That’s cute and all but solo shuffle is solo shuffle and other brackets people actually play good specs, take a look at a decent mmr 3s or 2s game that doesn’t contain a Rogue and come back with this logic 
shuffle is all about randomness thefore most of the time people get to play with not so good classes with their specs
you’re a mage with a hunter, you break eachothers CC or DR it, yeah, you don’t do much together
I was talking about specific specs and team comps
anyway these threads are boring, especially when DH is currently bugged and darkness doesn’t function properly, spectral sight disconnects your game if you don’t have outline mode disabled, and well, barely anybody plays the spec anymore, especially the rerollers who returned to their warriors, windwalkers and bm hunters or whatever
so keep complaining about a spec barely anyone plays
in shuffle alone it has less games in the last 72 hours than
arms
frost mage
mm hunter
bm hunter
windwalker
destro
ele
sp
and the same games as boomy and dk
so yeah, not even top 3 melee anymore, and going down, which i dont care about, but clearly some ppl here dont understand
Duh, I know this conversation leads to nowhere. But. Okay, you’re actually right. Let’s take a look at 3v3, because “People play good specs there”, so I suppose we’ll see something different?
DH is 2nd rarest killed spec in the game. SURPRISE WOAH, WHO COULD HAVE THOUGHT? 
24%. Sub rogues you all keep crying about have 30% just for your consideration, WHILE playing mostly with mages, which means they die even not being a main killtarget. Hmmm, magic, I can’t believe that
I think we’re seeing different data. Here’s data from last 28 days below.
https://wowarenalogs.com/stats?tab=spec-stats&bracket=3v3&sortKey=total&minRating=2100&maxRating=4999&trendChartSpecs=&trendChartStat=representation
DH has the most matches throughout ALL ratings and 2100+, absolutely dominating.
1st popular - DH 12143 matches.
2nd popular - arms 9451 matches.
Also, I know you won’t even consider this, but statistically - DHs have the easiest rating acquisition curve amongst all specs throughout this season. Every 2nd PvE baboon has achieved at least 2100 on DH. Personally, I think people have just quit.
Hashtag buff DH.
Open ladder in 2v2 - #1 most represented - DH.
Open ladder in 3v3 - #1 most represented - DH.
Open ladder in shuffle - #1 most represented - DH.
Sources respectively:
2v2 https://drustvar.com/pvp/representation?bracket=2v2®ion=eu&rating=2400&option=spec
3v3 https://drustvar.com/pvp/representation?bracket=3v3®ion=eu&rating=2400&option=spec
Shuf https://www.pvpleaderboard.com/statistics/solo/eu/2400#spec
And don’t even get started on “It was 10 months ago”, because it wasn’t. EVERYONE is tired of your purple batman wannabe army in EVERY form of content.
Honestly, Irony, I stopped playing like 3 months ago because of Double-or even Triple DH in every lobby I played. My 6month sub is running out in couple days and I will not resub. Your spec was INSANE through all this season and people have all rights to hate it. It’s a personal thing, but I’m convinced - many people leave because of DH (RDruid and other broken garbage).
Cya, I’m out.
#BuffDH
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I am somewhat eager to see the biaised response to the factual recent and current stats.
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A specc that can press a defens cooldown on a very low hp% and is 100% fine are equal viable as pressing it during stun if you consider not every stun ingame is a death sentence (if you got a trinket and your heal have one too save someone)
Best exampel cloak + vanish you can do this on 1% hp and survive, but cannot press it while stunned
How many die pressing Turtel or Dispersion if they use it too low
You forgot to mention that currently if you look through
https://drustvar.com/leaderboard/activity
Go EU - 3v3 - 72hours the most played DPS spec is still Havoc DH.
So is 3v3 the bracket ppl play the best spec or not now?
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Oh you’re right, thanks.
That’s because DH players are the most dedicated overcomers. They struggle, die in stuns, but keep conquering the ladder. For Gotham 
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Most speccs played are (no order)
Dh
Ret
Destro
Arms
Then is arround 1k Differenz, rogues are many but all speccs are viable
Balance seem too be better then it used too be
If you consider that there where hugh outlier like Ret and DH and Blizzard have done nothing for month i think season 4 will not bring alot of hard tuning and people just love too cry
I am full aware, it just keeps being funny when DHs keeps saying their spec is not “best” or “one of the best” when it is. Always try to deflect or downtalk their spec, try to shift the discussion towards other specs etc. I know people tend to do that but its just funny when they try to make it sound like other ppl are delusional while themselves seem to live in a fantasy world.
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nobody said it wasnt
its about the “then” and “now”
reading the “further nerf” threads are comedy gold to me
when theres sooo many specs which are already much better
ofc ladder is infested with DH, it’s the whole season since last tuning of gameplay - you’re comparing like what 3 weeks vs 4 months of ladder gameplay?
please point out any who have pushed big in the last 3 weeks - oh yeah right you can’t, or if you do, you can point out another 5 other players who went down for every 1 that went up
anyways
no point to argue anymore
i didnt ask for buffs or anything, i asked for people to stop being stupid, but that’s apparently impossible
it’s like being a cashier at walmart and getting 10 karens that want to speak to the manager simulatenously when they already returned their product
while ppl make and argue on these threads, Devastation is hitting somebody for 400k, Feral is hitting somebody for 370k, ray of frost is killing somebody 100-0, assa rogue is hitting 400k
the one thing about Batman is, Batman never gives up, regardless of how many villains appear
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