PTR Spoiler/Discussion Thread (Part 1)

i’m just a bit bewildered also that after all this epic choral music that you’d just expect the entire maw to die to and Big! Flashy! Things! happening . . .

… we get a fkn crystal out of it

unless it sprouts into sudden blooming city on the sprawling roots of nordrassil i don’t want to hear anything about it.

i probably have mentioned this already anyway, but i’m still so ??? that it deserves multiple mentions.

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Hard agree. The music was absolutely baller but just didn’t fit the scene at all. Hopefully we’ll see it as a recurring theme for nelves or Elune in their more epic moments… if they ever get any.

what epic moments lmao, woo magic crystal goes bing bing!!!

or tyrande choking sylvanas and losing

unless u count epic failures among them, then sure ye :grimacing:

Well, night elf posters did say “is that it” when it was declared that Darkshore warfront was their revenge for the Burning of Teldrassil.

The moral of this story is that you should never, ever ask WoW’s writing team to pay more attention to your favorite race. It will just end in tears.

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Tis why I play gnomes.

We only get something once every ten years or something.

At this point, not having attention from Blizzard for any race is a boon. Can’t ruin what you never had an interest in and respect for.

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They have a cooldown that allows them to commit war crimes without consequences every 30 seconds.

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(peeks out of Eorzea)

Hello Azeroth what’s going on—

https://media1.tenor.com/images/f0331b79db2cfc1160ff7d3edd8f489b/tenor.gif?itemid=6074641

(hides back and slams the door)

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maybe they should shift their worship to troll loa
at least those guys would actually try to defend you when you’re getting attacked

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It’s interesting to see Elune let Teldrassil happen with no divine intervention per say. The only intervention being she decided to guide their souls elsewhere. It is interesting because usually Night Elves turn into wisps and stay on Azeroth, but Elune seemingly ‘forced’ their souls to go to the Shadowlands to aid her sister with massive consequences. I like the idea that gods are out of touch with mortals, though I don’t think Blizzard meant it that way. I’ve always liked Elune’s more Old Testament methods of worship we see here and there in the old lore. This was seemingly one of those actions but again – I don’t think Blizzard meant it that way.

Someone else described it quite well but given everything we know about the Shadowlands this mortal plain is trivial. Your real life seemingly doesn’t begin until you die. Eternity is apparently just your second life doing the same menial things you did before but perhaps with ‘greater’ purpose or in a better fashion, and if you happen to die again you’re gone forever (how utterly depressing, until it’s revealed there is a Shadowlands within the Shadowlands).

To Elune, perhaps she thought it doesn’t really matter if they die there, because the mortal world is just the first few baby steps to actually being ready for your ‘real’ life when you die. What is a few hundred or thousand years to a god and the afterlife? She could blink and an age has gone by.

Even then, I assume Elune also believes all the Night Elves that died would be reincarnated and brought back to Azeroth; which I believe they will do. Mainly because of the massive NE backlash, and will be the only race to get a full restored status quo unlike the rest of the Horde / Alliance in BFA.

Still, Elune making that choice seems dark. Especially because from what I understand she forced those trying to flee to go to sleep. Unless she knew they were utterly trapped?

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Name a better couple

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Grimoire says it’s the reverse: most night elf souls pass on to the Shadowlands and only a few exceptional ones become wisps.

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Oh, another revision element I see.

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It’s Auri (@_wolfandwild). They’ve got quite a few things on there.

Not necessarily. I actually had a discussion about this very thing yesterday, since I too recalled from what I’ve read before that night elves would turn into wisps upon death.

Wisps are ancient spirits of nature that inhabit the forestlands of Kalimdor. They are actually the disembodied spirits of deceased night elves who have become one with the forest, though their minds and the way they perceive things is very different than in life.[1]

Digging into it, this quote is sourced from NPC dialogue in a Legion quest ‘Wisp in the Willows’:

According to Warcraft 3 Manual, it’s just a belief among the night elves:
https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/428896027936948224/869678515698696262/unknown.png

As spirits of nature, the wisps could actually be linked to Aessina, also named as The Mother Wisp in Chronicle 1:

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They weren’t getting out. She put them to sleep to spare them the experience of being burnt alive.

Indeed! It was originally an in-universe belief whose truth was uncertain, one of many little bits of flavor lore that made the world feel more immersive and alive.

And we knew that there were night elves who didn’t become wisps upon death. In particular, vanilla had regular night elf ghosts, such as Anaya Dawnrunner.

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It’s made very clear that Wisps are deceased Night elven souls throughout the course of WoW now. But I don’t think one needs a particular bond with their magical homeforest, seeing as we have examples of other events. Think for example of Shandris’ friend in Nazjatar, who turned into a wisp after we freed his soul. There isn’t a forest anywhere nearby.

So I think the Broker is just wrong. Perhaps there is some stuff with Elune and maybe even Aessina taking a liking to Night Elves, but I don’t immediately buy the “magical home forest” bit.

Loving this consistent theme in wow lorebooks

First the titans, now this, epic

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At least this Grimoire is set up as being not too reliable, I guess.

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