i am furious about a picture of fruit
absolutely spitting, i am turning an increasingly concerning shade of purple because an inconsequential prop and some NPCs in content that’s not been current for longer than I’ve been an adult were changed.
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between the unasked for and trite changes, and the overblown projection-laden reactions to those changes, i didn’t realise the circus was in town
I’m listening.
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Some of the jokes removed are so petty it becomes borderline tragic. If they’re ones specifically created by Cosby-enthusiasts, that’s perfectly fine to scrub them out of the game, but we’re getting no clarification if it’s for that or because they’re deemed inappropriate and “not in line with company values in 2021”.
If it’s the latter, and people are somehow triggered by “Sure, I’ve got exotic piercings.” and “I’ll have you know I can flatten steel with my thighs.” Club Penguin private servers are that way ------>
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I’m listening intensely
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Nobody spoke of harassment. However, it is perfectly within the playerbase’s right’s to call out, question, ridicule, caricature or in however other way you’d like to go on about it (providing it isn’t illegal, of course), because Blizzard has chosen the said social media platforms, these forums and yes, the in-game system for getting feedback.
They can block people, even stop their presence in the said platforms but they can’t stop people from talking about them.
No, what they have said that if people complain, pol, or in any other way, shape or form try and persuade the devs to changesomething, they won’t.
…Expect that is exactly what they have done. They changed the way how AP was gained, how Legendary acquisition worked, the Riprcord, Corruption vendors, Azerite armor- Do you get the point? ALL of those changes happened with systematic, daily, hourly banging of the table where the devs were openly ridiculed, mocked, satired about and made a mockery of in Twitter, youtube videos, hell, these very forums.
Again, the boy that cried wolf. They say one thing but do the other. And people have figured out that if you are just loud an obnoxious enough, you -will- get your will through. I should know, that’s how we got the changes to Shadow Priest in the beta, after being told nothing was going to be done with them. The whole twitter, class forum and Q&A’s were on fire, so much so that the announcer even said that 30% of all the questions they got was about SP’s, but that they wouldn’t answer class specific questions in the said platform.
I’m not saying this is what I wanted. I’m not saying this is the way it should be. But it is, all the same. And it is this way because they brought this on themselves.
Yes.
No, it’s actually worse. They claimed these things -were- wanted by the majority of the playerbase and asked for, when in truth we get revealed that actually it’s just a select few paper-thin-skinned devs who asked for them.
Oh, I don’t conflate it because of that alone. I actually know this is the case because I lived through Legion, BFA and SL alpha and beta feedback cycles. I know they don’t listen because so far their actions speak louder than words.
Actually if I heard some story from one of the devs that there used to be a real creep of a dev that used to bully them by referring to the quest names in a very cringy/inappropriate way to them 24/7 and that is why they want it changed, I could be more sympathetic toward their cause. I’d still ask why can’t they disconnect themselves from the work, but alas, I know none of that. All I know is that they lied, so why give them the benefit of the doubt?
Doesn’t matter if it’s private feedback or not. If they are changing these things in the game, there are far more tasteful ways to go about it: See, the WB example.
… Which is, again, patronizing because they are telling us that they know what is the best for us, rather than asking for our feedback. If they had asked/polled the playerbase whether they think these things should be changed (and the playerbase said yes), I’d been fine with it. But they didn’t. Worse yet, they lied about it to make their stance make more valid.
Ctrl + f how many times I have mentioned “woke” in this thread. It will surprise you, it’s actually just once. Now it’s two, because I mentioned it again, but you get the idea.
I haven’t “kept repeating it”, I said it once. Please get your facts straight.
No, a forum/bluepost that explains that just because the game has some questionable and undesirable elements to it from the past, doesn’t mean that the future or the current dev team is defined by them. That would do.
Nobody’s ever asked this I believe, or expected it.
No I can’t because you’re arguing with yourself and assuming how I see/look at things rather than asking on how I view them. I’m not being obtuse, I just asked how does anything what you’re saying have anything to do with the topic at hand?
Absolutely. Never said that the majority is always right. That should be intimately familiar to you, seeing as you live in a democracy.
But it is nonetheless the entity that should be listened to, above all else- That, or if you know what you are doing, you can do largely what you want without much scrutiny. This is how the Old Blizzard acted, after all (they very rarely listened to feedback and told what they were gonna do, but players didn’t much mind it because the changes and choices were actually solid).
In which case if the problem doesn’t affect the majority negatively, it can/is added to the game. See, the language pot example. I don’t know why are we going through the same example?
True, I don’t know that. But what I do know is that the devs lied and that there was never a massive amount of people that demanded for these changes.
I never said it came out of the left field, I said it came out of the woke field, which, consequently, several of the devs proudly label themselves as on their twitter.
Also where are these minority fun-dealing things? Also, refer to my earlier example of how to deal with said things tastefully, even if you do not subscribe to them.
I disagree. That’s all I see at work here.
true. instead they inserted in -that- one body horror scene that creases me to this day
I am not sure what you speak of and I wonder if I have just suppressed i- oh. ohh. Yeah. Goodness me. That sure was a tone setter.
That’s the thing. It doesn’t need that necessarily. If the devs are mediocre/bad, then the best out of bad options is asking and following your playerbase’s demands. But that brings it’s own share of problems.
On the other hand if you have a couple of people with a really clear, passionate and solid vision for the game, they can make it. Steve Jobbs had it right, the customer doesn’t necessarily always KNOW what they want (and in many cases, it shouldn’t be even their job to figure it out), but in order to play that game, you have to actually know what the hell you are doing.
But they don’t. So, here we are.
joE NO
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https://www.reddit.com/r/wow/comments/q152w5/king_ymirons_quote_with_bleeped_curse_words_is/
They removed bleeped dialogue.
the stormwind RPer diss track dialogue
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I actually rly liked that line.
Esp. The last bit with “Odyn himself would **** you to the ground!” because it sounded like it was kind of improvised/added out of tune, was funny as hell.
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And again. And again. And again. And again.
Like this doesn’t even anything to do with the sexual stuff or w/e this was just a straight up meme from a character who died, got ressurected, died again, was sent to hell and then to heaven and is constantly mad about it.
It will continue. And again. And again.
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I did not read this at all. Majority of the playerbase?
‘In early August, we set up internal channels where the WoW team could share feedback on content that doesn’t represent who we are as a team today. During this time, we also gathered a great deal of feedback from players on practically every aspect of the game. The player feedback influenced many gameplay improvements we’re working on for patch 9.1.5, and our internal feedback identified some in-game content that is inconsistent with our goal of building an inclusive and welcoming game world.’
This was the second paragraph in their communications update re. all these current changes. Where else did they claim it was wanted by the majority of the playerbase? Where was it that it was just a select few paper-thin-skinned people like you? Has there been some second update?
But that would not be following WB’s example. It plays in front of each cartoon deemed problematic now (and then). Therefore, each time the problematic /flirt, /silly, or whatever else was played, a similar message should be played. Otherwise you’re not educating the audience as intended by WB.
Because the way you act like now is similar to situations where people acted same way to RPers. People have asked ‘why are the focusing our resources on RP [things] than real PvE content’ before, or ‘why are we wasting time on RP questions than XYZ (for example, your shadow priest stuff)’ etcetera. Just because you do not see the discourse does not mean it does not happen or isn’t important, and just because you and your friends agree with your opinion does not mean it is correct. Equally so, the current changes have been brought up, discussed, and pushed for.
Should the majority be allowed to bash minorities because if they’re told not to (and would face some form of punishment), it’d affect them negatively?
Wait, what - you wrote an entire long essay on why open (and honest) communication is necessary and now you say it is not needed.
The devs could have a couple of people with a really clear, passionate, and solid vision for the game (or lore) right now - but they can’t make it because you don’t like it. I thought asking the masses and following their demands was needed for you?
Devs being mediocre/bad is a very subjective assessment, and it’s not even really the devs at fault, it’s the designers. You can be lucky and it all work out (Steve Jobs) or not, but having a clear, passionate, and solid vision does not guarantee you a good product.
Every new line found that is removed… /: It’s all so tiresome
This statement is incredibly vague and is the main reason I don’t trust them at all. What was the feedback process like? If they only gather criticism, of course you’ll only get negative feedback. How many players go around submitting feedback reports that they enjoy certain puns and jokes in their quests in comparison to people saying they felt offended?
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Will this mean Blizzard will change the slutmogs outfits of Vanilla/TBC era aswell?
I mean, I think it should, but they should also be realistic in that, for example, Night Elf Females(and males for that matter) have always been scantily dressed.
Also will this mean we will get to see a fully armored Malfurion or maybe even Illidan in the future since nany sign of skin is the new big no-no now? And will this spell bad news for the Kaldorei Archers at the Battle of Lordaeron? Because I really wanted that armor on my Rogue 
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That would hit the last demographic that remains regardless of content drought.
You can’t go after coomers, that’s something wrong you see.
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They will have to tear the chainmail biknis out of my cold, dead hands.
And thats because I want to wear them. For me. War is no reason to let yourself go and there’s absolutely 0 reason I shouldn’t be the hottest thing on the battlefield.
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They’ve confirmed they’re not going to touch any transmogs at least, and the only NPC model I can see them touching up is Alexstrasza to make her have pants like her HotS version. Nobody else really stands out as looking particularly scant, aside from succubus’ and shivarra – but that’s their entire point. But who knows if Blizz will decide thighs and abs are too sexual for our fragile minds to handle.
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