Thanks to you kait i had to process the thought of a private penguin club server where the penguin had gamer girl feet instead of flippers.
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Now that’s a game I’d quit WoW for.
The entire point of the paragraph was to say that they had two things:
A) internal channels (and feedback) which identified some in-game content that is inconsistent with their goal of building an inclusive and welcoming game world (and doesn’t represent who they are as a team today)
B) they also gathered a great deal of feedback from players on everything in the game, which influenced many gameplay improvements they’re working on for patch 9.1.5.
I mean, I think the way they gathered the feedback might be from simply surveying the general problems brought up on reddit, forums, etcetera, alongside feedback options in the game. I do think it’d be great if feedback you give on Beta would somehow get a response or the like, but that’s probably not realistic in scope.
But this also says that changes to jokes/flirts/old quest texts aren’t really player feedback, but internal process, so idk why ppl are screaming about things that are false. Of course, Blizzard can lie etcetera, but I’m just bewildered how people are assuming this is in part of some woke or SJW agenda or whatnot. ‘Omahgard nobody asked for this reEE!!!’ -yeah, except the internal team?
That’s the main reason people are upset, I believe, it’s just more of Blizzard’s internal monolothic decisionmaking on very strange areas of the game without any real regard to player input, and when the player input does reach them they lash out saying this is for our own good because they know best while at the same time they say they are working to change the core of Blizzard.
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Yeah, but I think in this case specifically it’s not really about player input even, it’s the devs wanting to make changes for their own product. I’d say in like, 90% of the changes made at the moment it’s also justifiable why it was changed.
It’s inconsistent in places, which I expect is due to the inconsistent nature of feedback and some things being forgotten/etc. Or in the process of being implemented, idk.
This is not really one of those cases where they say you think you do but you don’t, and I wouldn’t conflate the two.
We can’t get rid of you Obahar!
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That’s not the line I’m questioning. It’s what came after in the devs tweets that was linked earlier in this thread.
They were reaction to people, very rightly so, pointing out hyperboles that “nobody asked for these changes” and that “for majority of the players, these are non-issues”, which are of course 100% right.
To which, the developers in their infinite wisdom decided to blurt out that the “nobody” in this equation was in fact them. They didn’t refer to the players at all, unsurprisingly, because there weren’t a whole lot of people asking for these changes. I doubt it’s 0, but I’d be very surprised if it even reached a hundred mark. Certainly not in the thousands or majority of the playerbase, as one would assume any credible dev that says “we’re listening to you guys now” would base their opinions on.
Yes it would be. All of the things you list are part of the game. If you insisted, you could even have it as one of those tips that are shown occasionally whenever you load a map in the game- Which would actually be mega based.
However, for practical purposes, an official statement like a blue-post actually gets the job done better because it is archived and is often plastered across all the media, not just in the game itself. So just like in the WB example, it actually tells you that the problematic things in the game don’t mean you need to/should consider them as some moral lesson as to how you should conduct yourself.
A perfectly valid thing to ask. If I were the dev lead, I’d prioritize (as they do) PVE above RP too.
You’re right- However, if enough people think it is important enough, it will get answered/catered to. Just as the crossfaction potion did, and shadow priest issue did.
Turning paintings into fruit bowls, removing emotes and ensuring an inclusive atmosphere in the game aren’t important things because they’re not wanted by the larger audience. Doesn’t mean that they won’t ever get done, they are just done at a smaller priority/should be done. So when they do do them instead of the others, even if it is other teams, it gives a very mixed signal of what they want to portray themselves doing vs. what they are actually doing.
Unsurprisingly I am indifferent and not interested about issues/problems that aren’t important to me. Water’s wet.
Bashing minorities to my knowledge is illegal in most western civilizations, including the USA, so even if they’d like it they wouldn’t be allowed to do that (alas, they seem to have done some of it anyway, which is why there are repercussions now).
So no, they shouldn’t be. Not because of majority reasons in the game but because majority of decent human beings decided on a law that says you can’t do it.
It is not, if the devs are mega good and competent. However, as said, current Blizzard devs aren’t, so they need to listen to their customers or fail again, as they have for the past 7 years.
Then I’d be more than happy to hear the said plans and see the said people and hear their dragon’s den pitch to see if they got what it takes- As I am sure anybody else would be.
No, I have even said it repeatedly in this thread and others that it needn’t be that way. The old Blizzard barely listened or budged under player feedback, but they still churned out some of the best expansions the game ever had.
You don’t need to follow feedback if you know what the hell you’re doing. But the current devs don’t, that’s why the story, gameplay and this whole fiasco is all over the place. So in that situation the playerbase is the only thread they (can) rely on, however that isn’t as said without it’s problems. It is however a miles better option than the “My way or the high way” by arrogant devs that don’t actually know wth they are doing.
So they keep saying, yet here we are, revelation after revelation with these devs and designers coming out and wanting people banned over saying that their work is crap, corruption was a terrible mechanic, AP sucked, etc.
I don’t believe them anymore, sorry. They keep saying they don’t make the shot calls, yet then say stupid things like them. I can draw my own conclusions from that.
And objectively they are god damn horrible at what they do. Compare BFA, SL, hell, even Legion, to its predecessors, and they all pale in comparison even when adjusted to product-life-cycle.
Actually, I beg to differ. The marketing literature is full of examples where people with a really solid vision, good work ethics, clear and passionate teams and routines make it over billion dollar businesses that have no soul left in them and rely purely on bulk and market dominance.
They don’t consider the genocide, colonisation of foreign lands and “victims mustn’t seek retribution” problematic but a referral to an orcs skin colour or a lewd joke or a painting showing a tiny bit cleavage are problematic???
Also, I do hope they replace the removed emotes, jokes and other emotes with new ones, else they just take things from players without giving anything back.
You know, the thing I was called ridiculous for because Blizzard would never do that and the playerbase wouldn’t allow it.
At this point I am mostly skimming over Nerath and Boush’s posts (TLDRs). Tho that above did jump out at me from Nerth’s post!
My friend has no idea whats going on and doesn’t get it, someone explain it to him like he’s a toddler?
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because one is more tied into fantasy universe and the other is more directly affecting people in real life
also something something US is very pro-violence but very scared of seeing anything more than handholding or anything heteronormative in general tbh
ur comparing apples and oranges in this situation atm
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You might wanna go back on this one. Genocides, colonization and evasion of justice aren’t fantasy only themes and still very much happen to this day and affect people’s lives in a more damaging way than a phallic joke.
I’d go on to explain again but more articulate people like Fentonius presented a perfectly good explanation of what’s the real underlying issue.
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throwback to how i was told to grow thicker skin because being disappointed over how night elf story was handled in BfA and genociding the player race is just pixels and thus should have no connection to real life
sorry no, don’t want to pull sides but i won’t have this be an argument now when it was the opposite in the past 
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I never was on the “Lol, Nelfoids owned.” camp. I get it that it’s meant to be facetious from some ADers but in no way was I OK with the way the Kaldorei were handled back then… And now.
It’s my favorite race in Wow even if my roster is 2/5 Pandaren so believe me when I say that the way they handled them was my personal breaking point with the lore.
No use denying that some aspects of the game hold some real importance to others when it’s not for others, doesn’t mean either is wrong or in the right.
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King Ymiron or whatever in the Legion Warrior hall can be clicked a ton of times to make him burst into a ramble of swears that’d make a stormwind RPer blush, but all the actual swears are bleeped.
Think it’s a bit goofy and won’t really miss it but apparently other people liked it.
I was 
Difference is that this was actually presented as A Bad Thing, meanwhile the lore of kul tiras is that they came, the locals didn’t want them there, so they genocided the locals but don’t worry guys it’s okay because the locals used spooky magic so the kul tirans are complete heroic good guys.
And continues to get handled to this day.
Feel bad for nelfgamers, but not the ones that were actually hyped to see elune be a big part of ardenwaeld
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can’t imagine anyone having that much faith in blizzard writing honestly (and yet…)
Not even a blizzard thing honestly, I maintain that in general writing a God is almost always gonna suck.
They’re better portrated by writing their followers and heretics.
I mean, if we want to bring up something genuinely “problematic” we can touch on Aethas again. While blizzard may have inadvertently gave a big thumbs up to colonialism because of their ignorance*. I think actively making diddling men against their consent the butt of a joke absolutely overshadows all these things they’ve removed to make the game more “inclusive”.
This again loops up to my rant about how none of this is a change of substance or anything tangible.
*Read: I think they’re scared to portray the Alliance in any vague form of negativity in the slightest due to 
twitter denizens.
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Still utterly bizarre, yeah.
The Alliance and their close allies the Tauren will never ever be depicted/acknowledged doing anything questionable ever and it’s truly a shame.
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When you don’t listen to your playerbase’s feedback on game mechanics until the last patch of the expansion but subtley nudge the narrative based on blue-tick chumps on a social media platform.
Blizzard moment.
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There’s subtlety involved?
Yes.