It gave me a chuckle.
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The void portal booty wiggle is now canon.
Still a lame package when it comes to Legacies. While I get that the Aspects are by no means invincible, one Primalist is what got Neltharion over the edge to team Old God? Also the constant honor talk starts to annoy me not only by its vagueness but also… You’re soldiers, you certainly didn’t expect the enemy to behave within the set standards you yourself operate within, especially if not doing so gets them an easy victory. Also, a Titanic artifact was used to control living beings of flesh and bones with sentience… It’s almost like there’s less and less difference between every cosmic force. Seriously just call it the Domination artifact and voilà! It just works.
Theory time. While it’s clear Danuser has all intentions on pulling a “The Titans were also eviiiiiil” in his efforts to deconstruct WoW, I’ve been thinking as well about Nozdormu’s role in all of this. He ends going full Murozond eventually but why is this random reptilian dude has access to see all time? Like a god of the level of a Titan, I get it. Some reptilian dude… Eeeeeeh. Let me put my tinfoil hat before you can spit in my face for even coming up with this. Titans or Keepers (honestly at this point who the heck knows) giving Nozdormu the charge of the main timeline being the timeline where the Titanic Pantheon is supreme is the theory. The main timeline is a lie, that’s why Nozdormu turning Murozond is possible because a timeline where Titanic Pantheon influence is supreme turns out to be even worse than one where the Void and Old Gods succeed and the cognitive dissonance of “Protect Azeroth and its life” and “Follow the edicts of those who elevated you.” breaks Nozdormu. It’s basically the ending of the Rick & Morty season 5 where the Titans just confined Nozdormu to the timelines where they’re the winners in the end.
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I think it was retconned that Nozzy will always eventually turn into Murozond.
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Dont need to seethe about legacies if u never watch em
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The Titans actually were not quite good, and I’m glad to see them shown as such. Enigmatic, immensely powerful, not caring about the peoples of Azeroth or even their own creations as long as their plans go on, we knew it about them long ago. Not to mention their Keepers doing all kinds of stuff while being uncorrupted, simply following their programming… like with Helya. It could be easily demonstrated that thriving, somewhat prosperous civilizations of mantid and nerub were all but vanquished after the Old Gods’ imprisonment, and the changes the titan-forged have brought were not always good or even needed. For example, Pandaria’s ecology was irrevocably changed after kypari trees were cut down wherever the mogu could get to it, and Northrend was more than barren, barely inhabited tundra during the reign of Nerub. And I don’t even begin about the reckless, doomed experiments like what weent on in Uldir… no one but the Zandalari ever paid the price for the titans’ mistakes there.
Its certainly very bothersome especially when Neltharion used to be defined as the most steadfast and noble of the Aspects prior to his corruption. I enjoyed this video until I started actually thinking about it and the story it is attempting to tell.
Neltharion really didn’t just call on his Flight or the other Aspects to help him first? Not even his closest confidantes Malygos and Alexstrasza? Really? This is all it took to break him? One fight against one Primalist?
Furthermore, this story is confusing in the grand scheme of things. The Old Gods made Galakrond their puppet and the Primalists are Galakrond Loyalists but in this short the OGs dont side with the Loyalists but with Neltharion and banish the Loyalists (who then later end up jailed in a titan facility, facilities very well known for detecting void magic). Why exactly? Are the Old Gods just playing 4D chess like the Jailer. Its evidently not even a strength test since one fight against one primalist was all it took for Neltharion to break, so it seems razsageth is far stronger than him.
Makes absolutely no sense given that we know the Pantheon is content to let the races on its world’s help out. Or the fact that Eonar and Freya are both surrounded by and create wild, untamed natural sentient life that is by definition chaotic.
Whilst a plausible theory of Danusian-level madness and insanity doesn’t make sense either in hindsight as the Titans believe that the forces all need to balance each other out to maintain equilibrium in the universe to make sure one cosmic force cannot dominate the entire universe. We know this because danuser himself retconned the chronicles into being a Titan-perspective book and the new Uldaman dungeon even depicts the balanced map where no 1 cosmic power is supreme.
Overall, I’m quite disappointed by this short in hindsight and the carelessness towards the current story they’re trying to tell nevermind the blatant disregard for previous lore and story. Too many questions and inconsistencies.
My Sister in Aman’Thul, the Black Empire committed mass genocide and either turns every1 into mindless obedient tentacle monsters or simply kills you, not to mention the ritualistic mass sacrifices.
The one saving grace. I don’t have to acknowledge any of Danusers dribblings IC.
Neltharion was already listening to the Old Gods before he even accepted becoming an Aspect in the final scene of Dawn of the Aspects. When the Keepers charge the five, all of them are quick to accept it on the spot except Neltharion, who’s depicted listening to something else whispering to him in the distance until Malygos snaps him out of it.
The seed of corruption was planted so early there was never an uncorrupted Aspect Neltharion.
Algalon the Observer yells: I have seen worlds bathed in the Makers’ flames, their denizens fading without so much as a whimper. Entire planetary systems born and razed in the time that it takes your mortal hearts to beat once. Yet all throughout, my own heart devoid of emotion… of empathy. I. Have. Felt. Nothing. A million-million lives wasted. Had they all held within them your tenacity? Had they all loved life as you do?
yeah so about that…
Everyone in this thread forgetting the standard MO for the Titans was to purge entire planet systems at the first sign of trouble until Azeroth came along. This was the Chris Metzenian era of lore that everyone loves where the Titans were depicted as coldhearted and evil, but at least they weren’t the Old Gods…!
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this is the point i always come back to on the “titans are the prime good guys.” argument. they aren’t. they really really aren’t. problem with order is, it takes very little to mess up your precious order and balance. the titans reinforce that order, and the all too apparent servitude that comes with it, by brutal cold force.
They might be a lesser of two evils compared to the all-consuming void and old gods but Order will consume you into the Titan’s perfect plan. The key difference, imo. between an old god and a titan: A titan will force you into its service. Telling you its your higher calling and you must accept it. Resist and its off to Brazil, bucko. An Old God will whisper to you to convince you that what they want is what you want. They want -you- to want that servitude. Will they force it? Absolutely in the end. But a willing servant’s more plyable than an unwilling.
Have to say I hard disagree with you both in regards to the points you’ve made.
Is correct however and thats my bad, though I don’t necessarily agree with this story decision either, especially not when it means the old gods were just making their 2 dragon ninions fight each other for the instavoid memes to post on voidbook.
From an era where we were told OOC that the Titans are akin to benevolent gods who cannot comprehend evil, so trusting algalon then is a lot easier than it would be now. Furthermore, Algalon’s decisions were absolutely correct morally and ethically on a grand scale. Does it suck for the mortals? Yes, though there wouldnt be any sentient mortals left anyways because as we know: the old gods break you and turn you into a mindless tentacle drone or kill you and what survivors are left would likely think it better that their planet is saved and new life can grow after the reorigination vs everything eventually dying to the Void. Algalon’s decision is completely rational and understandable.
Ah, but as Blizzard themselves established:
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I think the thing that irritates me most is not the incessant retcons and re-writing of history and characters. It’s the all pervading theme of everything being not what it seems, everyone has an ulterior motive, a motive that is usually the opposite of how they were previously presented.
The idea of a cigar just being a cigar must be heresy in the blizz writers room.
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The Joker was right. All it takes is one bad day.
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For the sake of discussing this we don’t know that the Primalists are actually Old God pawns. They could have just become a thing after Galakrond died-
Okay who am I kidding, this is the exact same trash that they did with the Jailer, just replace Zovaal with the Old Gods and the Undead with dragons. No, this is not even a result of a retcon, this is new lore they made specifically for this expansion. They could have easily not make the Primalists the stick that broke Neltharion’s back. But hey, at least we got new, interesting lore for… I’m drawing a blank here.
I hope Danuser gets fired and we start getting content patches where we turn the dragon Isles into a warzone akin to Pandaria and the Horde and Alliance start fighting one another. Have the Aspects become loot pinatas as they start impotently screeching at the two factions for petty squabbling and looting their lands, but get stomped when they try and interfere in the Fifth War.
Turn Dragonflight into Dragonfall.
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I like how the turbulent sands of time are a nuisance to Emberthal, up until the point where she wants to see her past. Meanwhile Nozdormu appears entirely in his element. A small, if nice detail.
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I mean just because Galakrond became crazed because of the Old Gods, and then the Primalists rose up afterwards as “loyalists” of him, does not immediately mean that the Old Gods had something to do with the Primalists or that the Primalists had any connection to the Old Gods in any meaningful way, especially if you consider the Elementals are no fan of the Old Gods/Void either.
Galakrond is probably more of an icon of a world without Titan interferance for them; especially since both Minions of the Void, the Old Gods and the Elementals got jailed by the Titans. Especially since it isn’t common knowledge Galakrond went crazy because of funny, Old God infected, water(I presume?)
And thats beside the fact that the Void and Elements could team up against a common enemy…
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I want to congratulate the Superfan in advance, facing off against Blizzards very own “Loremaster” Sean Copeland will mean a easy win for the fan.
Doubt it can even be counted as a contest if you’re up against a Blizzard Loremaster😂
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Far from my intention to depict Titans as the “good guys” but they really are as much as you align with their goals which supposedly is what the majority of the Titan forged descendants want to do. Really the only real time we went against the Titan and their creations wishes was during the questline in Storm Peaks where Yoggy’s influence is all over culminating in just telling Algalon to sod off Cues Rhonin’s speech.
I agree with this. Sure they can change the spin, but I very much liked the Chronicles depiction (yeah yeah written from Titan viewpoint= propaganda blah blah). Titans going around the cosmos, trying to find other titan souls and then creating an organized enviroment on them to help them bloom. Kinda like making a garden for that really rare flower you bought and brought over. And this orderly garden is kinda a nice enviroment for mortals to live in too.
We should learn from Wrathion and eat more titan hearts.
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