Nothing would make me happier than to kill Alex.
and finally cross her off the list of aspects we have killed.
alas dragons are friends and we don’t kill friends… usually.
Lets not forget we went to pandaria for war related reasons
dragons isles was very specifically just to loot the place of treasure like adventures are want to do, oh and probably help our new Dracthyr allies or guess.
The dragons are using us a proxies to topple a hostile regime with the promise of blood diamonds
what other reason do you need than being a CIA spook for a bit of loot? There’s nothing I wouldn’t do for a 9 piece mcnuggets and an el maco burger
Yes, but those said dragons also have loot.
I’ll tell it this way: If you took away the primalists, and replaced each of the primal incarnates with the aspects instead, and the primalists with some dragon cult or whatever, you would have the exact same expansion with the exact same premise. Only now there is actually a far greater, vested interest in going there and dealing with the problem.
I’m not sad that the Primalists exist as the villains as said- I am merely stating thatthe story is so disconnected that even if you removed the main antagonist from the isles, you would still have a perfectly workable expansion.
Try that with Legion or BFA or indeed any other expansion before that, and the expansion falls apart.
I think that anyone who asks “why should we care about the dragons?” is being deliberately unaware. Dragons have been a core part of the Warcraft fantasy since Warcraft 2 and have since featured as important story characters in multiple expansions: Classic, TBC, Wrath, Cataclysm, Legion, BfA, Shadowlands.
We’ve seen both the harm and help that the dragonflights can provide, so of course it makes sense to nurture alliances with the friendly ones — and slay the nasty ones, who will turn their eyes to us just as soon as they’re done with the Aspects. The Primal Incarnates want to wipe out the Titans’ stain, which - y’know - includes mages.
There’s also all the races who descend from the Titanforged. We don’t know what the Primalists will do about that, but it won’t be pretty for those who still hold faith like the Tol’vir.
The reasons for getting involved and helping the dragons go on and on. The only reason to say “nyeh why should we care” is if someone wants to be intentionally disengenuous because the expansion’s themes don’t appeal to them.
Well, it was more of an accident than a planned war reason- Although, it did turn into a resource reason very soon.
Whereas DF is just about helping dragons because… We’re nice, I suppose.
Good. Destroy the myth of the Great Man.
Don’t forget his weird self-fanfiction where Alex adores him.
I would assume this is the case is because blizzard is banging hard on all the goodwill and quests we have done with the different flights since vanilla.
although they were jerks in classic they were a little less so in wotlk and we had them as strong allies in cata, and so forth.
Even Wrathion is trying to guilt trip you hard to join his political party and gain some vote, as if your opinion would matter.
its true we could do away with the elemental lizards and their fan club in place of the current ones we have, but that would ignore all their past actions and we would stand with an expansion that tells us, that tall lizard waifu, is nasty and needs to die for the love of loot and glory.
I just do not want the new Night Elven capital City tree to be on the darn Dragon Isles. New Night Elven home should be in Northern Kalimdor, prefferably Mt. Hyjal.
Also the updating of the old world, can, be done 1 or 2 zones at a time; like how they updated Darkshore and Strom in BfA. But this time not having them stuck in an endless cycle of switching sides, thank you very much.
yeah that one in particular. I love that one. I want more of that.
Deathwing portraying himself as the gigachad and everybody else as soyjaks.
Yes well, so have demons, the LK, and many other characters. Doesn’t stop them from being turned into raidbosses.
The argument could equally be made that, with the factions both spent in terms of manpower and resources, finding a new island ripe for the taking with all of those things in plenty (and also with an internal civil war) is nothing, if not, a low hanging fruit.
Even if you assume the better nature of both factions, what wouldn’t make sense is going out to help the dragons- They are dragons, after all. The case can be made for both sides, some have more sympathies for them, others less, but the fact remains that neither faction should have the resources or particular will to help them.
I’m also not sold on the idea that because primalists are particularly hostile toward mages (?), that it would be a reason enough. They represent, what, 1 class out of the rest?
Plenty of titanforged/titan origin tracing races side/work with the primalists. It’s as Thuzar put it, a doomsday cult akin to the Twilight’s hammer.
Or, perhaps, once the reasons are brought into light, they don’t really hold much water. The alternative would be to say that tastes simply differ.
Which in fairness she probably should, with the reach quests showing just that.
The monkeypaw curls…
The world is updated but to a worse state than it was before.
Every aspect except Malygos and Deathwing, aswell as alot of other dragons such as Chromie has proven to be reliable allies and gotten quite friendly with the Warcraft core teams(The big characters+the heroes). We know most of these dragons on a near personal level by now. They’re our friends.
“Why should we help these dragons, our allies who have fought beside us against several world-ending dangers? It’s not as if their long-forgotten island is full of ancient knowledge we could use, or their prisons contain monstrous evils who want nothing more than to reduce the world to its destructive, primordial origins.”
We play the protagonists — of course our characters are going to want to help their friends and allies, who have also been consistently depicted as the good guys. We kill evil dragons and ally with the nice ones, that’s just what fantasy heroes do.
It just doesn’t add up- Primarily because the primalists, like Deathwing, was a beast of the Aspects (and titans), own making.
Dragons have helped the mortal races many-a-times, this is true, but the opposite is equally true. Be it vanilla dragons where we kill all five different varieties like dime-a-dozen.
There was also the whole Death Knight class hall campaign where you go out of your way butchering the red dragons in your way- And then some.
A bronze Dragon also caused the whole draenor situation + the subsequent legion invasion by proxy. Also Wrathion from the get go was manipulating the champion and their faction to literally wipe out the other side. Out of the goodness of his heart and with all the good intentions- Just like Malygos (who had a far better reason for his plot).
It’s one thing to point out that “some” dragons are good and worth helping, but a whole another thing to make a compelling narrative where they are not even a bit SUS.
That’s all fine and true- Except that we play adventurers. Not heroes. A nuance to be sure, but quite important one.
Basic adventurer described in seven words.
if the bad guys didn’t want to die they shouldn’t have looked so lootable
L + cope + seethe + looted
Ashvane shouldn’t have tried to nationalize the azerite extraction. Now all of kul tiras is free… for foreign investment!
The reason Elly is going to the dragon isles is so that he can make Alexstrasza incredibly uncomfortable every time she asks him for help.
Or, in other words, spite.
We play the Champions of Azeroth and the Maw Walkers, who put aside the faction conflict in favour of fighting N’Zoth and who plunged into the afterlife in order to save the kidnapped leadership of the Alliance and Horde. Even Champions of Azeroth who were Sylvanas loyalists eventually put aside those loyalties to fight her.
Based on that, I do think that the player-character of WoW is more of a heroic adventurer and less of a gritty, self-interested mercenary adventurer.
The player characters have been called Champion and Hero basically non-stop for years, it’s nothing remotely new at this point, yeah.
My headanon for that is that the pivotal moment is when they were knocked into Gorgoa, seeing up close the torrent of souls howling how they trusted her.
Depends entirely on the questline. Never forget that time we freed Xal’atath based on vibes, gave her a cute elf corpse to crawl into and had an eyeball fused to our foreheads for our trouble.
Ah, the things we do for love…
i can fix her