PTR Spoiler/Discussion Thread (Part 2)

Just because normal gnomes live there and Gelbin Mekkatorque is the ruler of both gnome factions doesn’t mean its suddenly the capital of both gnomes, it might be the (temporary) seat of power, but Gnomeregan has been the home city of gnomekind for far, far longer.

I doubt the gnomes would just go up, shrug and abandon Gnomeregan!

Also, Mechagon isn’t the ancestral gnomeland, Mechagon was a mystical land which King Mechagon of Gnomeregan set out with a expedition to find, it was created by Mimiron which was the creator of gnomekind.

If it was that simple, they could’ve send in undead gnomes, or one of the many bot designs they have :frowning:

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What about Forsaken? They helped getting the Night Elves to a new home and Worgen to their old home. So cleaning up Gnomeregan could be next on the list, they’re already on a streak.

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Yeah, Forsaken “help” usually means plague everywhere, so they can stay home!

They only helped because if they did not, the world would’ve burned down, with them on it. :weary:

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I did not mean to imply the gnomes had given up on Gnomeregan
I mean it is a salvageable city, why wouldn’t they work towards restoring it?
I was implying, for now at least, the gnomes are not 2nd class citizens in Ironforge but residence in Mechagon, and further imply they already had their reclamations event similar to the night elves and worgen, even if it is a sad excuse of one.

Getting a proper gnome city the size of the Gnomeregan dungeon would still be preferable and I hope we get it eventually.

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Not that similar threats have stopped Warcraft’s playable factions from coming to blows with each other before. Honestly a flawless operation from every faction in Azeroth, given how the Third War and the Legion’s Third Invasion was handled.

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Throwback to the Horde and Alliance fighting IN Icecrown.

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Arthas and Varian were childhood friends. Probably colluding…

Throw in Jaina too and the suspicion heightens.

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The sad part is that even WoW’s writers forgot about the Forsaken flesh hunger. They’re less mutated ghouls reclaiming personhood.

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Or even the innate hatred for life that all undead share… Well this is a Chronicles 1 information so, who knows anymore.

Titan’s POV and what do they know about Undeath, lmao

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Me when I watch Danuser (who has been suspiciously quiet since the month before Blizzcon btw, his name is unmentioned in any authored work since Blizzcon and he hasn’t been creditted thus yet with any of the writing in 10.2 onwards so they might have got him) and Metzen fight over whether Chronicles is True-Canon again in Chronicles Volume 4.

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Per his LinkedIn page, he’s no longer the Lead Narrative Director. He’s just “a” Narrative Director now.

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I’ve seen that as well though other parts of that same Linkedin still describe him as storylead and also there’s a very peculiar and unexplained “Evangelist” in his about me section which is uh. . .interesting information I didn’t want.

“Narrative Leader”

“World of Warcraft
2015-Present
Narrative Lead on the World of Warcraft franchise and its ongoing expansions.”

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Have you heard about his lordess and saviourette Sylvanas Windrunner?

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He should simply eat the Lesser Writer!

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haven’t bothered with this expansion, anything good or is this one skippable too?

Are we talking story or content?

In terms of content, I´d say DF is massive step-up from BfA and Shadowlands as there´s finally no mission table, no weird grinds you need to do to keep up (all the grinds are cosmetic) and while the game relies a lot on world events that become more difficult as time progresses as they are designed around many people doing them, overall I´d say it´s the best WoW has been since Legion (disclaimer: I´m a casual player, no idea about hardcore scene).

In terms of systems, the new talent tree is really good and finally they aren´t designing things for one expansion only and then scrapping them.

In terms of story, it´s crap. Some good parts, but that´s sort of given for any expansion as you have many writers and some of them are bound to make something good. The story suffers from outright bad writing that often feels like it was done for bad Saturday morning cartoon. At the same time, the whole “everything is an unreliable narrator and morally gray” problem from Shadowlands persists, however with Danuser POSSIBLY being gone (and definitely at least having reduced role), this is one thing that I think is bound to change, with return to more “Good vs. Evil” storytelling without someone bigbraining in the back how actually the bad guys who have only ever been shown as the worst kind of evil imaginable actually did lot of good (this is never portrayed anywhere besides musings of some random in-game “philosopher”). There´s also the same persisting problem from Shadowlands where the lore often doesn´t feel like WoW as the new team tries to come up with their story (once again something that might be completely changed because of changes in Blizzard in 2023). Added problem is forced friendship between Alliance and Horde to the point where Forsaken aid in liberation of Gilneas by throwing Blight barrels on the city that is occupied by Scarlet Crusade that spawned out of nowhere.

TL, DR: Gameplay good, lore bad, but lore might change for the better in next expansion.

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both i reckon. i was primarily rp-based last i was on, but ive not been on in so long its likely ill be going for gameplay too. im a casual player, so its nice to see its not /all/ grindy. very big shame about the writing though :frowning:

maybe the RP community’s been able to do their own thing though! i might give it a looksee. thank you for the post :3