PTR Spoiler/Discussion Thread (Part 2)

Perhaps, but you’ll agree with me that a good portion of the nelf community definetly took it to extremes.

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Oh yea, definitively!

So yea, it should stay away, unless you’re capable of pulling it off!

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I mean… If my favorite bit of lore was so brutally assaulted, I wouldn’t be surprised if my saltiness seeped through my RP, especially since the reaction could very well match the In-universe one.

Night elf players didn’t take it far enough.

The night elves killed Alliance mages in Ashenvale until recently iirc

But @Telaryn knows it all :wink:

I mean, I don’t necessarily know who you mean, but if you RP an extremist Night Elf you probably should take it to the extremes, no?

(peep the guild tag)

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This definitely happened for some (and it wasn’t very fun to engage with)

Basically Kalimdor is so vast and its wilderness so difficult to traverse that Feralas has pockets of villages and communities of elves who didn’t even know the Alliance was a thing ca. late Cata/early MoP (Traveler 1) because word travels so slowly there. They could go a decade without hearing from other elves and think little of it. Lore updates don’t get instantly uploaded into the brain of every character, news travel primarily through word of mouth, and it’s difficult for it to reach the Feralas heartlands.

It was a known phenomenon among rest of the Alliance that when encountering elves in the Kalimdor wilderness, you should be careful to first determine whether they were a friend or foe, because they had been known to use their natural elven aura of disarming grace to make you lower your guard before cutting you down.

It’s not so much that they were hostile to the Alliance as much as they were protective over nature and would simply cut down anyone they perceived as a threat to nature, and weren’t aware of the Alliance because word hadn’t reached them.

Which is why Desartin is correct. The people who did this weren’t RPing under the guise of what was mentioned above, but simply because they hated the Alliance.

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It’s odd that there’s Mailing services that can deliver across time and space but apparently journalism is simply not a concept within Azeroth.

I am talking about the players during about the time from Cataclysm to BfA who would barely contain themselves from attacking an Alliance toon even when they were just passing through Ashenvale. The players who were overtly xenophobic despite their race being in the Alliance for a good while by then, and even having taken in the Gilneans.

I get that its not wrong to play a xenophobic elf who doesn’t like the new change, but it does become a parody when the overt majority of roleplayers was behaving like that, and actually behaving like this because they did not even want to roleplay with a non-night elf character. It was basically just the stereotypical “night elf poster meme” taken into the game.

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As someone who was in the Night Elf scene from MoP-BfA, I honestly don’t know what you’re talking about.

Especially when you go on to say that it was the ‘majority of roleplayers’. I find that hard to believe. The Cenarion Guardians were an extremist zealot guild and to my knowledge was pretty much a niche guild in design, as most other active guilds were more like your standard city elf trope than anything else. I get that naming (+ shaming) is not allowed, but at this point I just want to ask for names really.

And even TCG didn’t really attack Alliance on sight, so I can’t imagine there being guilds that went further than TCG did. :person_shrugging:

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I am quite sure it was not your guild, and honestly, I don’t remember exact names as I did not exactly bother to remember such people.

Maybe my use of the word ‘majority’ was wrong, but there was atleast a time when I felt that whenever I passed through Astranaar, these sort of player’s be about who’d almost actively try to just shoo a non-night elf out of there for seemingly no reason other than what I posted earlier.

Also note that I said they “barely contained themselves from attacking” rather than “actually attacking.” They did not outright attack but just made a very unpleasant atmosphere for a non-nelf player at the time.

I am glad that you seemingly have not had these experiences, but I did.

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Pragmatism.

Alexstrasza’s former consort Tyranastrasz was held with her in Grim Batol, when the Dragonmaw were using her to breed their mounts. During Alexstrasza’s escape, Tyranastrasz sacrificed his own life to buy her time, ensuring her freedom. Tyranastrasz’ remains were discovered later by the Explorer’s League, and his skull is now on display in Ironforge, despite - according to the Codex - multiple requests that it be returned so that the Red Dragonflight can bury him properly.

Lol. Lmao. Dwarves, I hope they never change…

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Like draenei, elves are objectively hot in lore.

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However, it does take some time to discuss Elemental dragons - dragons who found their way back into the Elemental Planes, which changed their physiology. As examples, he points to the Stone dragons of Deepholm or the Storm dragons of Skywall, and even suggests the phoenixes of the Firelands followed a similar process to become what they are.

Meanwhile, the Storm dragons of Stormheim - the Thorignir - are not treated as related to the Storm dragons of Skywall, despite their similarities.

Cloud Serpents are acknowledged to be similar to other dragons, since they, too, have elemental powers.

Strangely, the Veilwings of Ardenweald are considered to be true dragons, and the only dragons native to the Shadowlands. However, it’s unknown whether the First Ones made them or if they evolved from mortal spirits sent to the Shadowlands after death.

Ok, so the Stone dragons, Storm dragons, and Veilwing are true dragons now too, Cloud Serpents and phoenixes might be dragons, faerie dragons aren’t dragons.

Nothing about the white dragons tho :frowning:

That’s a promise we can keep.

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It also reaffirms that dragons are descended from elementals that managed to escape the Elemental Plane.

…What?

One thing that’s been confusing about dragons over the years is how they mature. According to the Codex, dragons age rapidly at first, but it takes at least a decade for a dragon to reach full maturity. Once they have, the aging process slows down drastically, allowing dragons their long lifespans. This somewhat explains Wrathion, who was born during Cataclysm, but appears to be a fully mature dragon now.

The weird thing is that this justification wasn’t even necessary! Wrathion was a special case, born from a Frankenstein’s egg assembled from three specimen by a Titan device. The writers could have just used that to excuse his rapid growth, but no, instead all dragons age like this now.

natural elven aura of disarming grace

And then you look at Tyrande and wonder where that grace went. And also why nobody in any other Warcraft story ever comments on that.

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Tyrande can disarm whenever and however she wants, thank you very much :relieved:

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They’d already had Awbee speedrun whelp->full dragon between Vanilla and WoD too, so Wrathion just supported what we’d already seen, rather than proved an exception to it.

In fairness they do mention elves are supernaturally pretty a few places. Jaina comments it on Kael in the Arthas novel iirc, and I’m sure that it’s dropped in one of the Knaak dragon books or somewhere else that Red Dragons specifically prefer Thalassian visages because of how hot they are which throws people off.

Kalec is, I guess, a hipster with his chosen visage. Wanted to be hot to humans but not unnaturally so, so he could still make kissy faces at them.

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Where the black eyes have gone, apparently.