PTR Spoiler/Discussion Thread (Part 3)

It certainly lacks grit and gumption! I understand their reasoning, but it does feel a bit empty to let this be the outcome.

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In fact, I don’t regret Dalaran going down at last. As it was, the only arcane tradition seen everywhere was the human/Kirin Tor one, with nothing else represented whatsoever. We don’t see Zandalari Arcanitals in the field, we don’t get in-deep analysis on the Pandaren or elven styles of work, even the races that are brand new to the arcane like the vulpera end up only and only as Kirin Tor. And with how often the apparently-neutral magical city ignored its own principles or was the reason for calamities to occur, perhaps decentralization and acknowledgement of different ways of magic will do Azeroth good. Or at least we’ll see mage sets that aren’t Kirin Tor through and through.

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The real cost of this is that we’ll not be able to have a third version of Dalaran as an expansion hub without some very serious shenanigans.

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It’s a bit iffy with the Forsaken, since Dalaran as a ‘Kingdom’ was always a bit of an overstatement. It was a reclusive citystate (that rarely entertained even foreign royalty visiting) surrounded by the kingdoms of Lordaeron and Alterac. They had very little land to actually call their own.

If Dalaran had stuck to its neutrality guns since WC3, then it resettling into the crater might be easier to justify and allow, but with its flipflopping over the years it’d be putting it legitimately in the centre of Forsaken/Horde territory, zero buffer zone.

Perhaps that alone would keep them from going so pro-Alliance in the future, but I can’t imagine it would be a calm and conducive environment for learning, always concerned that maybe there’s a few intercontinental blight catapults pointed in your direction if your leaders decide to vote-blue-no-matter-who again.

In other words if they wanna settle down, they should really rebuild somewhere else.

Exactly - it feels like “going out” in a whimper instead of a bang. In that same reasoning, I would have preferred if Khadgar died facing Xal’atath, instead of coming back only to emerge magically diminished, defeatist, and ending the questline on “this old man is tired”. For a character as flamboyant and iconic, whose death has been more or less teased for ages, an unceremonious retirement seems… as disappointing as what happened to the institution as a whole :pensive:

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the amirdrassil effect

See, this is where Blizzard is incoherent - because as I’ve posted a bit further up, the crater is canonically being rebuilt and resettled. Until it’s retconned (and it might be), the Kirin Tor going back to Hillsbrad Foothills should be portrayed as a plausible option.

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imagine they’ve been rebuilding this whole time and then they get a message from central command telling them to pack it up, they’ve all been made redundant and it’s time to find new employment because the kirin tor is no longer paying their wages

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Mason guild to defias arc, Kirin Tor grunts edition?

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history is a circle confirmed

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I saw a theory that injured Khadgar is actually Xalatath in disguise again, and while I don’t think Blizz would do that, it would be funny as hell if she just did the same trick twice.

“Nooo, we definitely don’t need the Kirin Tor, hahahah, we should just get rid of them,” says KhadXal, while everyone nods and doesn’t question it.

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lmfao please let this be true

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nah it aint true.

its actually dreadlord jaina in disguise duh

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I think in an ideal universe where world-building is a priority, we would have had both - the Kirin Tor and other magical institutions. Pretty sure that I posted ages ago about how I would have loved to see things like embassies from the Shen’dralar, the Arcanitals etc in Dalaran, to evidence that there is a great cultural diversity in terms of arcane practice. I agree that absorbing every sorcerer into a Kirin Tor ‘monopoly’ was always a rather lazy way to write mages.

That won’t happen now, but glimpsing into the rivalries, cooperations and differences between these organisations would have been peak wizard fantasy.

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Fool me once, shame on you. Fool me - you can’t get fooled again

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This interests me too. What about Amber Ledge, Camp Antonidas, and other Kirin Tor outposts across the world? (The Violet Stand at least we know was abandoned.) What about all those researchers who were working offsite when Dalaran fell? What happens to them? Who’s going to watch over Karazhan now?

At least we got that lesbian couple in the 11.1.7 storyline, so the Azure Span gang still seems to exist in some capacity.

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I’m assuming this is going to be where Khadgar retires to, to be honest. He’s always been lurking there when he hasn’t been in Dalaran.

The other outposts probably just heard word of Dalaran’s fall and are awaiting instructions. The instructions will be that the Kirin Tor is dead and they are released of their duties. This is where you have space to start your own RP by in some way having these outposts going independent and carrying on the work of their own volition.

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i assume a bunch of ghost mages considering dalaran had little issue letting a post-humously promoted apprentice do so during legion

im getting that one endwalker cutscene flashbacks from this sentence. someone check up on those mages

Welcome back Med’an.

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The Kirin Tor isn’t dead, mind: it’s diminished, it’s going back to its “teaching-and-advising” roots, it’s “decentralising”, but it’s still here.

What does that entail exactly? What does “no more rank, no more council” mean? Is it now a loose democracy with the Avengers cast (Khadgar, Jaina, Kalecgos and Aethas) vaguely waving their staffs in x direction sometimes? We :sparkles: don’t know :sparkles: and likely won’t know for several expansions.

Hence my disappointment at this questline: it doesn’t answer anything coherently and clearly, and gives no breadcrumbs to follow for the foreseeable future.

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