PTR Spoiler/Discussion Thread (Part 3)

Sadly I have to agree with your brain here :frowning:

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Stormwind snowy winters firmly canonical at last

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No :slight_smile:

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Don’t worry, Eitrigg is also there, in their super secret headquarters, in the middle of Stormwind City :slight_smile:

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Please tell me you’re joking about Eitrigg being in SW and having a pint with Turalyon as the artwork shows.

And with Danath, Kurdran, Khadgar and Alleria, ye.

He’s the Horde representation in this comic, Danath and Eitrigg even laugh it off that they tried to kill eachother a few years earlier, during the Fourth War.

Oh yea, the armistice must by maintained at all costs according to Danath, so its cool :slight_smile:

Edit: Also I am getting real tired of Alleria going to literal every event in Azeroth, apparently, and sucking the joy out of every’s day/night/life.

Stop going to these things if you don’t want to be there then, jeebus woman.

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Danath “You-impudent-worms-have-no-right-to-be-here” Trollbane cannot fathom his niece and her values?

Sure, buddy.

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Don’t you know? The Horde has a Council now! And with uhhh… They did uhhh… They send uhhh… to proof they have really changed…

So Danath jumps on that oppertunity to show the everyone how the Horde really has changed and Marran is so wrong about them!

Obviously the Armistice is going to work this time, he super swears it! :slight_smile:
(His bestbud Eitrigg promised him it would work aswell!)

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yeeeah i thought it was gonna be too “sweet” and “wholesome” for the majority after reading it

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I don’t really see the problem with Eitrigg’s presence. There’s an ongoing armistice and Eitrigg is one of the most respected Horde officials, with a history of cooperation with the Alliance. I can’t say that I see anything unusual about a diplomat of one nation visiting the capital city of another nation to build rapport by celebrating a holiday with them. Just seems like standard diplomacy to me.

Though it does feel a bit like token Horde representation to satisfy people like me, who whine about that stuff. In an ideal world, they should have had two separate stories mirroring each other, one for Winter’s Veil in Stormwind City and one for Winter’s Veil in Orgrimmar or elsewhere, if they insist on the snowy weather.

For the most part though, I don’t have an issue with the comic, nor do I have any praise for it. It’s a cute little way of celebrating Christmas and doesn’t contain much in the way of meaningful lore, except for armistice haters.

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I’ll be honest, all in all I don’t really think its a bad story, or that it doesn’t work.

I rather had them have 2 different ones which included usually underlighted characters. For example one where we see a group of different Horde races celebreta Winter Veil in their own distinct race’s ways and coming together to see what binds them, and what could be used in a greater Horde Winter Veil celebration. Same could be applied to the Alliance. We don’t really know how the Orcs, the Tauren, the Nightborne, etc celebrate Winter Veil.

Same goes for the different Alliance races. Do Draenei celebrate it? Or did they adopt it from the Alliance? Perhaps made their own version of it, etc?

Ideally, it would be made up off usually forgotten races, like Gnomes, Trolls, etc.

Aside from that, as I stated above, personally, I am getting tired of characters like Alleria being the debbie-downers of the group. The writers are obviously forcing them into scenario’s where they, as a person, not really have a “need to be”. Alleria obviously does not want to be there because she wants to finish her hunt for Xal’atath, yet there she is trying to drag everyone down in her negativity. Hell, Khadgar just lost, literally, everything and he seems more of a joyous person to be around then Alleria at the moment.

Also getting tired of whole cinematics of Anduin being sad, we now get whole stories about Alleria being sad, and its getting me sad. :frowning:

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It’s cute all right. But it doesn’t feel earned. Why is Danath, a character defined by fighting several horrible iterations of the Horde, who specifically expressed he’d enjoy watching Eitrigg’s corpse float in his moat, celebrating Winter Veil with this orc? What character development happened offscreen that made orc-slayer n.1 this baffled by his own niece’s resentment for the Horde?
I understand they just wanted a sweet little christmas story, but do we all have to be friends?

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TWO stories?!

That’ll cost a raid tier.
“But Kayt, that doesn’t ma-”
RAID. TIER.

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I just watched the winter veil reunion, and while I like it, when it comes to Danath and Eitrigg, it does seem to fall into the same pit that Dragonflight had, the Gilneas questline being most notorious.

They don’t take the proper time to show us -how- the characters get from hatred to forgiveness. It just all… seems a little too easy for some characters to suddenly get along. And we see too little of -how- they got there.

Genn Greymane honestly feels the most natural, when he expresses having a hard time forgiving the Forsaken.

Most of the folks who’ve seen me post know that I am not of the “Raaagh, only WAR in WARCRAFT” crowd but… a bit more acknowledgement of certain feelings would not hurt the storytelling.

So, tl;dr, I’m not against forgiveness at all, or against hatchets being buried and feuds being ended, I just want to see more of the journey that characters undertook to get there.

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It all happened during the time-skip. Trust me.
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Like, what better time to grow over old trauma than five years of absolutely nothing worth mentioning?

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Ok, but now I have this image of old warriors on both sides finally having nothing to do, and engaging in a few hobbies and going “Oh. Huh. This is kind of nice, actually… Hey, I wonder if I can-”

And then you’re three or four years in, and some little, wet-behind-the-ears Private/Grunt goes “But, sir! What about the Orcs/Humans?!” and they just look up like “…Well, what about them? Who gives a fig? No, Blightly/Grog, go and clean out the stables/wolf pen, why don’t you?”

(But, yes, I do agree with SHOW THE DAMN WORLD PROGRESSION IN GAME, DEITY DAMN IT ALL!!)

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Same, especially for how Lillian got on Shandris’ quickcall list, after helping pull a genocide on her race… Alas :weary:

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I am so glad I switched to alliance. The Horde is not doing fine in TWW.

This sums up why I rage against the Faction Leader Squad and the story that orbits them. And despise Anduin in particular as the poster child of this unearned peace and forgiveness.
Until they show that journey and earn that peace and forgiveness, Daelin Proudmoore is my chosen Hero of the Alliance.

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