PTR Spoiler/Discussion Thread (Part 3)

All I know is it’s something that Metzen Thrall can’t channel anymore apparently

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Cinematics team have really been kicking it up another notch.

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She seems on the level. After all, we’re the reason she’s parading around in a dead Blood Elf. Surely she’ll be happy to see us?

You have to understand; for Americans this is peak Fantasy, such a world away from reality as to be fantastical and surreal.

Yeah but… goblins?! You’ve got so many benevolent races out there.

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My eye is twitching immensely

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when is thrall going to say “poggers” (it’s an orcish word)

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My :poop: posting about Aerilen saying “no cap” in that other thread has come home to roost. :disappointed:

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YOU DID THIS

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Does she sound a bit like one of those youtube shorts AI reads of reddit posts?

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Yeah I’m not really sure why her voice is so robotic in the world quest dialogue, its completely fine in the questing.

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His desire to do so doesn’t mean that he’s immediately and completely successful in this endeavour and that all goblins now have to be played as enlightened effective altruists and responsible sustainable capitalists.

I think there’s an interesting story to be told about someone who deviates from the culture of his people seeking to lead his people towards a brighter future and away from the more damaging aspects of their culture and their past. I mean, that’s a big part of what made Thrall so interesting and appealing to begin with.

Let’s not pretend that Gazlowe just snapped his fingers and suddenly all goblins think just like him.

Is it possible that one of the reasons for less Horde characters in the spotlight is that a lot of their races are monstrous in appearance and therefore harder to animate, especially with the massive improvements Blizzard has been making with their facial animation lately?

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WoW having wildly, grossly inconsistent voice application between Quests and WQs and others is a long established tradition, sadly :pensive:

Oh I know, I know. It is mandatory for me to mock the Americans wherever applicable. But, sadly, it’s just yet another example of the devs having zero understanding of the sliding Grey scale between Black/White and the receeding depth of world and faction building of a puddle.

So… typical White Liberal Americanism, basically :grimacing:

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Marvel Universe And It’s Consequences

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Goblins are fine as they are! I don’t want Green Gnomes or Dwarves. I love the Goblins for how they are and I don’t think they need “fixing”! Not every race in Warcraft needs to be Lawful Good. Goblins as a race exist mostly out of darker shades of grey due to their history and charactarizations and thats just as fine as a few of them being good eggs like Gazlowe, which just makes him stand out more!

Xal’atath is how I wished Azshara would’ve been written.

Azshara could’ve worked just aswell in her place!

Metzen really loves Thrall as a character, as is his right as his creator, and I don’t mind him going down that path to properly tell the story he wasn’t really able to tell! And since we all ignore Shadowlands exists, his Elemental Dysfunction story never got fixed!

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I feel like rather than ‘make Goblins Good™’ a far more interesting angle would be to go “Ok, so they’re not obsessed with profit. But that doesn’t change from being obsessive by nature.”

Whether that’s obsessing about collecting artefacts, discovering new facts about cheese, strange crystal formations - whatever. Just make 'em Weird Little Guys/Gals, with a healthy slightly-amoral streak!

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I thought it was a decent story, plus I’m all for stories that don’t entail the usual suspects in terms of leading characters. Not too worried about goblins suddenly becoming good samaritans either - but it does serve to validate that take for RPers, I rather thought. The exceptions to the rule as it were, not being entirely far fetched.

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To me the story hammered in the point that for all the good Gazlowe inspires, the system is inherently stacked against it and he himself agrees to that. He’s an idealist, and Marin Noggenfogger is slowly coming around, but it’ll take a lot more than two goblins to change the system that exploits goblinkind.

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Why doesn’t the short story mention how Gazlowe’s deep connections to the Venture Company that Exploring Kalimdor mentioned…