Victory for Chestvanas!
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What are we if not slaves to this garment?
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The Scarlet Crusade will never die. When Azerothâs sun goes supernova, the only survivors will be the Scarlet Crusaders on a hijacked Draenei spaceship that theyâve repainted red.
Yeah I agree with pretty much everything you said.
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https://x.com/Portergauge/status/1918881868943917314
Looks like thereâs even a bow with an angry Sylvanas face on it. Not quite as silly as Chestvanas, but almost.
Apparently this is trading post stuff, due out July.
Forsaken catching strays.
This is good but also damn Lady its been 21 years! And the Horde are still too terrified to engage with you!? You gotta hit da bricks, this faction doesnât respect you.
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Câmon man, letâs not make children justifiably being frightened by walking corpses a faction issue.
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She should move to Darkshire, no one would bat an eye at an undead school teacher with all the wierd spooky stuff that happens in those woods.
We love a chesty queen.
Ohh boyâŚ
Canât wait to have the word of god that actually, the Amani are monsters for fighting the colonizers (with a history for massacreing trolls even before the Sundering) /s
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Iâm not even sure this is a matter that require such a frame of mind since Trolls should be acquainted with the concept of conquest for its own sake really. Iâd find it much more hilarious if Belves just openly said âYeah we conquered it, itâs ours. You canât ever have it back. Out with the lesser races!â. A kind of energy that would match Zulâjinâs everlasting seething.
At this point, Amani are a fallen empire trying to reconquer lands they held hundred generations ago, not oppressed natives. Reconquest of Amani Empire would be comparable to Italians going on a rampage across Mediterranean because their rightful Roman lands were colonized by the barbarians.
And we should sincerely hope said frame of mind isn´t going to get applied in WoW because it´s Americans writing it. There would probably be a lot of âZul´Aman foreverâ and trolls calling elves colonizers in bad accent.
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Dark days wait for troll roleplayers in midnight i can feel it in my soul
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I would say itâs generally human framing, itâs not uniquely american. Many of the WoW races do it all the time, we just happened to be the playable ones.
Thereâs sufficient history between those two that none of them would particularly want to give leniency to the other.
Would be funny though to see the Zandalari having to mediate or be constantly heckled by both parties into picking a side. Loyalty to the Horde or the species as a whole? The latter has historically never yielded interesting or valuable gains.
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To clarify, I was talking about viewing everything through the lenses of colonialism.
Which IMO can´t even apply to the case of Amani vs. Literally Everyone. Bunch of refugees settling a place isn´t really colonialism, nor are two individually weaker kingdoms banding together to defeat a large empire an example of it.
Especially not when said refugee arrival took place 7000 years ago and the military alliance happened 2700 years ago.
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Itâs California Brain. Itâs the inverse of the stereotype midwest republican âI donât mind them I just donât want to see themâ brain, and itâs just as soul-eroding.
Itâs the type of person who will feel as uncomfortable saying âgreenskinâ as they would a real-life racial slur.
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I think the nuance that Iâd abhor for them to get rid of is that itâs not Italians being mad the Romans got defeated, itâs still the same Romans - cuz the Amani never died and neither did the kingdom of Quelâthalas as cultural entities
Itâs the same war that didnât really ever end because 1. its exterminatory edge on both sides and 2. Itâs the same societies and cultures on both side. The elves are psuedo-immortal, whereas the trolls have their fascinating (albeit problematic if you go too CaliforniaBrain⢠thinking about it) culture that doesnât consist of immortals but stays the same - same traditions, same culture, same Amani. Unfeasible? I say fantastical
itâs one of the real remaining grey conflicts that remains in this setting and giving a clear-cut, in-game graphic word of god that the elves are innocent and the monstermen are simply just thatâŚ
idk. Obviously peace should happen by our human sentiments but the appeal of the troll fantasy is that the never forgetting and never forgiving is muddled
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I think Torkaziâs commentary is on the timewalking scenario, which will feature a segment about the Quelâdorei settling of Quelâthalas, back in the day when they were colonisers.
All that Lorewalker Cho mentions in the dialogue that we have is that they were âwarring neighbours,â which feels like it brushes over the troll perspective a little. I suppose thatâs understandable considering the elven focus of this timewalking topic, but itâs still unfortunate.
Thereâs room for depth and complexity here, so if they boil down the Amani perspective to ânothing more than jealous neighbours,â to the point where Zulâaman is used as a loot pinata yet again in Midnight, I think that would be disappointing.
Thereâs no guarantee of that, thereâs still the slight possibility of a nuanced Amani storyline in Midnight and maybe even a forest troll allied race, but Iâm not putting my money on it personally.
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Nobody ever wants to talk about how the Trolls were throwing hands at refugees who came from across the ocean.
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That´s however more of a problem of WoW´s storytelling because, it´s pretty much impossible for cultures to stay stagnant for 7000 years. Even if they keep the same name, they will evolve to the point where they´re unrecognizable to what they used to be. Those Romans didn´t die out either, they simply started identifying more with the name of their part of the former state rather than with the name of the state (but, even if we assume that said name change is crucial and serves as breaking point, then we can simply change it to Romanians going on a rampage across Mediterranean).
It then becomes really difficult to apply real world concepts to a story that doesn´t operate by real world rules.
I think the problem here is that, even though it was absolutely gray back in the day and should be portrayed as nuanced, nowadays the effect would be: Trolls moving to lands they weren´t born in, likely never even stepped in, to banish or exterminate people who lived there their entire lives (in case of elves, even if we go with them being effectively immortal, the original ones are probably very few) or whose ancestors have lived there for hundred generations (Forsaken and Lordaeronians in Argent Crusade).
At that point, it becomes pretty black and white, the blood elves and Forsaken have much greater right to those lands than Amani.
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