Numbers don’t lie.
The game is losing people and the Ripcord Ion Hazzikostas mentioned seems nonexistent.
I’m talking about a game in a holistic view, covenants, leggos, chores, this whole treadmill / time gating thing going on.
any thoughts?
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Even if they pulled the ripcord now it’d be too late imo.
The damage has been done.
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What numbers?
Would be too little too late. Shadowlands is fundamentally badly designed, and the narrative is beyond terrible. It’s alienating, making players feel useless, everything they do meaningless and disconnected. No ripcord can fix that.
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I can’t even say why they insist with the chores. Why exactly do they think this makes the game more attractive in any way? Chores =/= fun. People actually quit when they see they log into the game, and instead of having fun they have to do unfun chores.
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You’re only talking about pulling the ripcord because a Youtuber told you to.
It never existed. Pretty sure that came up in later interviews.
It was just a strategy to make the player base shut up until everything was live and immutable.
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Honestly though, decoupling powers from Covenant choices would be a step in the right direction. Lot of stats saying the “meaningful choice” was all about going to Icy Veins/Wowhead to see what it should be. That’s demonstrably bad game design since it obviously isn’t working as per stated intentions that players pick the one that resonates with them.
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It’s not about some ripcord. People get more and more bored of wow as time goes on. Shadowlands is a pretty good expansion and 9.1 is a good patch.
When WoW hasn’t lost number? Maybe before cata, but after cata it has been losing numbers.
4, 2 and 0.
What’s concerning is that they’re losing people at an alarming rate despite just having released a new patch. They should be in full panic mode right now… or perhaps they’re that delusional, who knows.
Add it as just another lie to get people to purchase Shadowlands.
During beta, the community tried desperately to reach Blizzard regarding covenants. There were a lot of concerns raised. It’s clear now that they had 0 intentions to adjust the system.
They didn’t want us to have fun, they wanted us to play as much as possible.
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The ones that aren’t lying.
“Youtuber bad, you stupid, me smart, me have own opinion only”
That’s what you and everyone with such accusations sound like.
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wont matter what they do now, the game needs a compleate overhaul from bottom to top.
though I think it is to late, and not worth the effort now for Blizzard to do it, probably cheaper to make a new game instead than fix wow now.
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ripcord was a lie you will crash to the ground and die 
blizzard gave u a parasuite with no ripcord and u just jump out of the pline
Which numbers ? The ones you don’t have access to ?
Cuz of course removing the restriction on covenants will make millions of players come back to SL. That’s what the so called ripcord was supposed to be, and one which i doubt will change anything at this point.
People either hate Blizz regardless of what they actually do or have bigger issues with the game than the covenants lock.
Getting rid of timegating & grinds in a MMORPG is a fool’s errant. It’ll inevitably be included in the game, what matters is the actual implementation.
For instance 9.1’s Domination shards. While i don’t mind the upgrade and gear acquisition, I don’t think a random drop is a good idea for the shards themselves. If we’re supposed to grind them, at the very least put them on the vendor or 100% drop chance so that players can start playing around with them rather than pray RNGesus.
What WoW needs is a big release with both content and big changes, not merely a fix a month after the start of the tier. Fixes will do in the meantime but they’ll need good publicity to turn this around & this won’t happen without a big patch release.
Cuz it work, no matter how much people may complain about it.
Which is actually something i’m afraid of, as I genuinely believe anima is a better design than AP but with all the complains about anima being too grindy despite being irrelevant.
I can’t help but fear that someone at blizz will look at that, see the stats that show that people barely farmed anima compared to AP & think “Well if they are going to complain anyway, let’s at the very least milk as many hours of gameplay as possible” & reintroduce AP…
To be fair these stats were obtained from people actually running serious content (RIO & warcraft logs iirc, which iirc should only tracks players running m+, raid & rated pvp) so the data is inherently biased.
Definitely a failure for this demographic tho, but a good chunk of the playerbase never set foot in that content (iirc back in BFA half of the active accounts didn’t even have the “Time a m+ key” achievement & in 9.0 around 20% of the accounts had cleared Nialotha HC)
I personally tortured (and during my math tests and exams slaughtered, heck it was borderline genocide) several of those key numbers and whithout any doubt or question, I can tell you - and they admited it too - numbers do lie!
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The problem is not anima at all. Anima is fine for sure. What’s not fine are doing some stupid weekly and stupid campaign for renown that take hours, grinding reputation with some bs faction in korthia because it’s the only way to get sockets and better conduits, having to do choreghast every week. Maybe it works, I can’t say, these are the reasons why I canceled my sub yesterday evening, because I’ve come to realize that between doing those chores that bring me exactly ZERO fun, I’d rather play other games that I can jump in and have fun straight away.
I do not like that so much stuff is restricted by Covenant. You can spend hours and hours getting a tmog set you like for alt #1, but can’t wear it on alt #2 because they’re different Covenants. You can grind currency to buy your favourite mount in your favourite colour, but guess what? That character is the only one that can ride it because it’s the only alt on that Covenant.
Legion had class-specific stuff, that is true, but it was only ONE mount (with recolours for some classes) ONE slot (weapons) and ONE gear set per class. In SL, there’s now TWO Covenant-specific gear sets for each armour type (plus recolours) and THREE mounts (plus recolours) locked to each Covenant. And who knows how many more of these we’ll have by the end of SL.
I find this all very demotivating. I don’t run end-game, so play my alts to fill the gaps between content releases. This is supposed to be alt-friendly expack, but Ion doesn’t seem to understand how or why players play alts. Why can’t all my alts benefit from the purely cosmetic items I obtain on them?
Anyway, my sub runs out at the end of August and I’ll be taking my first break in the game since I started playing back in 2017. I expect I’ll be back for 9.2 for a couple of months, but I’ll probably not be buying a 6 month sub again even with the freebee mounts. SL has not made it worth my while to stay subbed and tbh if it wasn’t for finally getting Invincible I’d regret renewing the 6 month sub last time round.
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