PvE gear should function properly in PvP. Change my mind!

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Okay, usually I ignore all the drama coming from “PvP-only” players because I was enjoying the game… However, I sadly discovered the vocal whiners have won yet again so I had to take this off my chest.

The versatility buff in BGs should be reversed… PvE gear should work fine in PvP… PvE and PvP are not two different games… This is an MMO not some MOBA, I shouldn’t do rated BGs and rated arenas just for having a chance on killing an enemy in a random BG…

There is a proposal that might satisfy both kinds of players… Why not implement this 40% versatility buff only in rate arenas and rated BGs… ? People who care about PvP rating tend to belong to the same ones who advocate for the return of resilience, PvP vendor and whatnot… Let them farm their PvP-only gear but don’t let them affect the rest of us…

I want to experience an MMO in its full potential without having to farm PvP gear from zero… Not to mention that changing gear sets every single time I am queued for a BG feels clunky and bad… I had this horrible experience during Cata… I don’t wish to see its return.!

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Why not implement WoD gearing system again?
It worked like charm in the past.

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pvp gear should be BiS in pvp.

Either bring pve gear down a notch so you dont have backpeddaling mythic geared players oneshotting everyone or bring back a WoD style gearing system.

I feel that if there wasn’t such a large disparity between high end pve gear and the general player base in bgs then it wouldn’t be such a large issue.

or just bring back resillienc, pvp power or w/e

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No it shouldn’t… You want to disconnect two parts of the SAME game… I worked hard for M+ gear… Why shouldn’t I be able to use it in PvP as well?

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Pve gear drops from a fixed repetitive (same npc over and over again) scenario!
Pvp gear, well, drops from player vs player scenario.

Because some players work hard in pvp to get their gear and cant use it in pve.

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And the pvp gear ilvl is crap. :poop:

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an ideal world would see a merged gearing system with the odd piece being BiS from each form of content, but pvp players should have BiS gear from PvP, currently pvp players are at a massive disadvantage to pve players. brackets dominated by mythic raiders and high keystone players.

PvP gear should absolutely being BiS and competitive for PvP. How would PvE players feel if their gear was useless in comparison to PvP gear in their desired content, not good. Thats how it feels currently for PvP focused players.

With a return of resilience and/or the mop pvp power systems it would at least bring pvp gear to a relatively even playing field to +15 and mythic raid gear.

Currently PvP players tend to get stomped by those in the gear mentioned above.

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its not crap, in the picture link below, you can see aspirant base ilvl and max ilvl after upgrading it, then you have base ilvl of the conquest gear and i guess when you upgrade it to full. it will be close or at mythic ilvl
pvp gear ilvl

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You keep talking about “PvE players” and “PvP players”… We should be talking about players as I do not belong in either aforementioned category for example…

I never said PvE gear should dominate PvP… I am suggesting a merge of two CORE parts of the game… These two parts should have never got seperated in the first place…

If I have PvP gear from the top ratings, I should be able to do Mythic raiding and M+20 and vice versa… What you advocate would result in top PvE gear becoming an entry point for higher PvP rating in order to get the best PvP gear… And this is terrible…

This is what seperated the players into “PvEers” and “PvPers” in the first place…
It makes the game more grindy and clunky… PvE and PvP gearing should work in tandem, they should be different methods that allow you to reach the SAME GOAL when it comes to gear…

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what i am saying is that ilvl 83 standard bg gear and ilvl 68 honor gear that is currently available in no competes with ilvl 130 mythic raid gear and this is wrong in a PvP setting, players should not be forced into mythic raiding or high end m+ to PvP, we already saw the outrage when PvE focussed players were forced to do BGs for essences.

That is not what i advocate at all and you know it, don’t twist my words to suit your narrative. What I am suggesting is that PvE gear currently dominates PvP gear, and anyone who wants to PvP to any competitve level other than facerolling random bgs is forced into higher end PvE, this isn’t good.

WoD had a good gear system and it should return to something like that.

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Then I don’t know why you mention that here because I actually want PvP geared people to be able to do PvE just fine and vice versa…

At what point did I state I want PvE geared people to dominate PvPers? Instead of having "PvP gear "and “PvE gear”… Why not just have “gear”?

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Because Ion hates pvp.
In BFA gear was hard to obtain from pvp.
And the last slap in the face was the added pvp vendor that sell ilvl 68 pvp gear.
U get better from heoric dungeon.
Blame Ion and his ideas.
Or whatever.

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PvE gear has dominated PvP throughout BfA, and it’s looking to be the same for Shadowlands.
PvE gear is generally easier to attain, and has a higher item level for the amount of effort put into it than PvP gear does.

If PvP and PvE gear is equal in power for all content, whoever does the content that gears them up the fastest and easiest will start dominating PvP.
Since this has time and time again been PvE, it’s not a long shot to assume that once again, spamming PvE constantly would be the way to gear for PvP once again.

I don’t think PvE gear should be worthless in PvP, or that PvP gear should be worthless in PvE, but I do think there should be a difference.
One step in either direction. A PvEer would have gear that is only slightly worse for PvP, a PvPer would have gear that’s only slightly worse for PvE.

They wouldn’t get roflstomped, they would be competitive, they would be able to beat someone geared more ideally than themselves by playing well. I’m not talking astronomical differences where someone do does mythic raiding would be 1-shot by a guy in PvE blues.
A minor difference of 5-10% performance at most.

This is literally Ion’s philosophy, he’s gone on record saying it, and it brought us to where we are now:
PvE gear is the best gear for all the content in the entire game, PvP gear is garbage.

EDIT: To further clarify, the idea itself isn’t purely bad. The implementation is.
In a homogenized system like this, unless the method of acquiring gear is also equal, one will start dominating the other, that’s the crux of my argument.

If they managed to make PvP and PvE gearing equal in terms of acquisition, I’d be on board with you.

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I guess you like to pvp once a week and you complain about getting gear for that one time pathetic

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I personally don’t care, if there will be separated gear or u need a lot of time to grind PvP gear, i will just not q. Who cares about PvP mini-game here? There is a lot much better PvP focused games. I q here, coz i can q - PvP here is not so good IMO, but better this than nothing, coz i was 100% PvP focused player in the past and i want to do PvP sometimes.

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Your so dumb man if we can get as good in pvp as you get in pve we are fine but now thats not the case they even time gating starting pvp gear, thats so dumb just add pvp stat back and everything is fine otherwise just buff pvp gear

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I love how dragonslayers want to force pure PvP players to do something they don’t like, while they themselves feel they shouldn’t have to.

Talk about entitled.

I am fine with that, I think.

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Your guess is wrong! I PvP everyday… I just avoid rated PvP for a myriad of reasons… But that would be a discussion for another thread…

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Man, your egoism is awesome! You enjoy MMO, you want MMO, you this you that… I like idea no special bufs for BG, I like the idea one gear for everything. I don’t like that for getting Any PvP within not to be 1-shot target, I must spend… weeks? Months? All problem around PvP is actually time we spend. I could pay blizzrd for 2-3 years of game time just right now and spent all these years for fights againts players. I just don’t like PvE a much. But no… I must goging Mythic raids… or spent BG on GY. So… mostly ppl talking about this, and about other blizzrd fails. Not

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Then whats your problem?