You are fine with that https://postimg.cc/rdpzm0Cn ?? Cause as a pvp er i m not. {this is from Stoopz video https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=h1mc90urXvU }
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Yhmm yeah so pvpers must do pve but pvers dont need to at all. No thanks!
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Yep.
WoD had the best pvp system.
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My problem is that as a person who enjoys both PvP and PvE I feel like I have to grind a different gear-set from zero… PvP feels like a mini-game (similar to pet battles) right now…
I’ve spoken with many people who refuse to even enter a few random BGs for fun because they simply gave up on PvP during Cata and MoP and they never realised they don’t have to farm a PvP set anymore…
Most people on this thread complain about PvE gear being better for PvP… I want PvP-only players to be in a position where they can raid just fine if they wish so… And I want PvEers to be able to do some arenas and BGs . Example: if my gear is fully upgraded Mythic I should be able to compete with top PvP rated people and VICE VERSA (big empasis on “vice versa”)… I don’t see why this shouldn’t be the case…
I believe it originally buggedout and sometimes the PVP gear wouldn’t scale up.
It would be even easier to implement now though, because they could easily tie the stats on the gear to your PVP talents. Bonus stats if your talents are active, I.E in BGs/Arenas and out in the open with WM active.
No. Random battleground gear shouldn’t be on par with Heroic or Mythic raid gear.
The best way to do it would be to have RBG gear on par with normal mode (pvp content only), low-end ranked gear (I.E 1.8k rating) on par with heroic, and then the elite gear (2.2k+) on par with mythic.
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You have to do it anyway. 90% of specs use different stats in both PvP and PvE. It’s not that you can take your PvE gear and perform as well in PvP because most of the times in PvP you don’t go full glass cannon but if you lack defensives you get some from conduits, versatility or other sources. For example as Elemental Shaman - my gear for M+ is crit/haste while raiding and PvP is hast/versa - so anyway I have to farm to sets of gear.
It is similar to PvP in PvE gear in Pandaria and WoD. As since they reworked resilience in Pandaria everyone got 50% basic resilience this from gear was around 11-12% in Prideful season. So it’s exactly the same as playing PvP with your PvE gear with wrong stats.
This should bother you if you really cared about playing PvP. If you don’t it means you don’t care and play PvP for fun. That’s why we want WoD/MoP gearing back. In MoP PvE gear was scaled down in arenas and in WoD PvP gear was scaled up to be better than PvE gear. In MoP the difference was huge because PvE gear scaled to less ilvl than honor gear but in WoD it was only 15 ilvl better than mythic raid gear. This way you could play both but if you wanted to specialize you specialized.
PvP should have a special stat for pvp only like back in the days with resilience or pvp power, its silly that low lvl mythic + keys rewards way better gear than gear ppl grind ages for in pvp.
I suggest something like: Imagine the azerite neck heart of azeroth, that you lvl up slowly with azerite, now, its doesnt have to be a neck or even a piece of gear, maybe just a buff in ur stat screen that only activates in pvp content, that works kinda like resilience or pvp power, or something new, but something that makes you stronger in pvp only, that you lvl through honor gain, so that ppl that actually spend a lot of time doing pvp only wont get one shot by pve players with way higher ilvl gear that just jump in pvp once in a while.
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Yep it did. Why did they remove it again? 
I know the reason, it’s just hilariously stupid
I understand you, but question is: why PvP players must spent time with raids to get high lvl gear? Cause as you said it will harm feelings PvE players… Hm… but what happening now? Feelings PvP players not important to you cause you enjoy both aspects? Man, again, I like the idea one gear for everything, but must be few different ways to obtain this gear. Somebody like going to raids, somebody to BG, somebody just buy probably.
Cause at the moment I feel like I paid money for personal abuse from blizzard. PvE abuse. And I have mixed feelings about it. I like WoW, Dwarfs my favorite since 2004. But why they going to this way, gives good gameplay for PvE and nothing for PvP?
Let me explain. PvE for me, and mostly PvP players^ I do believe, is a good decorations. But action is Arena and BG. Also time management. I with love to spent my game time on BG’s cause I can play by 20 mins per run or 2 hours. Raids is always more than 1 hour.
So tell me please, how do we talking about equality if we gives for ppl who love PvE gear in their usual and beloved environment by taking this opportunity from PvP players?
Must be few different ways to obtain highlvl gear!
There is also this problem of how specialized the game has become regarding to pvp and pve:
Now I guess it’s true:
PvE especially in M+ and Raiding requires a certain amount of commitment and dedication. Passion for gearing and optimizing and even a certain ‘time scheme’ of the playtime that allows for uninterrupted play for a longer period of time.
PvP on the other hand is seperated into Rated and non-Rated pvp.
Rated PvP caters more towards the same dedication, just with different challenges and playstyles.
non-Rated pvp caters towards someone totally different. You end up with more freedome in time and planning way closer to LFD but with the same frustration level of PvP (someone else was personally better than YOU).
Now put yourself into the non rated gamers shoes: You suffered through weeks of this. With the occasional rush of things going well. And along comes Mr. “I pwn NPC mobs in the sanctity of my premade group - so now I’m going to own you hard time! Tough luck! Just do as I did and you can own too!”
It will always be: The one side doesn’t consider the tasks the other side does ‘as worthy of a rewards’ while not willing to do the task themselves.
(The “how much would you pay someone to clean your bathroom? / How much would I have to pay you to clean my bathroom?” Dilemma)
Solution: Don’t pretend it’s the same thing and you earned pvp-pwnage-rights by playing pve. Just as the pvp players don’t earn boss-loot and items by playing pvp.
Seperation of niches that don’t go well together actually makes things better!
Ideally:
Stuff you get makes you better at doing stuff you are doing.
It shouldn’t be totally worthless, but there should always be a benefit of specialization.
Battlegrounds not being considered worthy of rewards is just a misconception created by this whol e-sport-esque thing of rating. All in all it’s actually admirable how many people play this and have fun doing so, even when being unjustly down-ranked by public opinion.
And imho, the challenges of a bg with it’s unpredictable dynamic group and the required objectives and the unknown teamplay and composition is a different kind of difficulty. But yeah, “it’s so easy”…
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First of all, let’s start by correcting a completely wrong statement… You mentioned “the sanctity of my premade group”… You assume all PvEers belong to uber guilds who eat Mythic Raid Bosses for breakfast… The reality is that most people look for PuGs in order to complete PvE content as their guild doesn’t raid at all or there is just not enought space in the raiding team… Not to mention, most guilds struggle with Heroic Raiding, let alone Mythic…
Now back to PvP… You see I fundamentally disagree that PvE and PvP don’t go well together, I am having the time of my life exactly because I do both… PvE gets more love exactly because of what you advocate… We already had in the past what you asking for and look where it got us… The community is seperated into “PvEers” and “PvPers” and since PvE players are more, PvE get more love (much to your discontent)…
For the millionth time, I don’t want people to do stuff they don’t like… I want people to have a chance at trying something different without feeling punished (having to farm different gear sets for PvP and PvE respectively)… We could still have different trinkets for PvE and PvP and that’s enough I think…
So is the current system perfect? Hell no… Is it headed towards the right direction? Maybe… I just don’t want the “PvE-only” or “PvP-only” people to sabotage this…
Logic dictates:
PvE gear is for PvE.
PvP gear is for PvP.
Players wearing PvP gear should ALWAYS dominate and win against players wearing PvE gear.
Blizzard is not logical.
Player vs. Player players should win against players, because that’s what they play. Player vs. Enemy (?) players should win against algorhithms, since that’s what they play.
It’s completely ridiculous that you have to be good at PvE before you can beat a player as a Player vs. Player player.
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Personally I wouldn’t go as far as saying PvP gear should dominate and always win against PvE gear in PvP.
I’d be happy if it was just slightly stronger for its intended content than PvE stuff.
Gives dabblers a chance without tirning it into too exclusive a thing, while still letting dedicated PvPers get the advantage.
I don’t think anyone here would have an issue with PvE gear being competative in PvP if the PvP gear itself wasn’t inferior. Neither one should ever be stronger than the other in PvP.
There are many people that do nothing but PvP and they feel hamstrung in their own main activity by people that do it as an alternate activity. I mean really, how would you feel as a mythic raider if PvP gear was all of a sudden your BiS? (and for the sake of argument, lets assume you’d have to be at least gladiator to get that BiS ilvl)
The only time that this has happened is in classic, yet if you look at it the other way around… PvE gear has been meddling in PvP since the dawn of PvP itself.
This is the problem. It doesn’t need to be crap, it just needs to not be better.
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The achievement for all m15+ dungeons is litterally the worst thing I ever did in the game(and was basically forced on me to gear as a pugger).
I like to just run epic bgs. I like to have the teams not be so far apart in gear that one side has little chance.
PvP gear system aids a better experience overall with better gear balance and an actual feeling of progression as I play alts in pvp.
I thought it would be common sense to do one activity and improve in that activity, not just do one and be a god at all.
If same situation applied to pvp gear: " PvP gear should function properly in PvE. Change my mind!
Still good?
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Actually PvP BG-s and epic BGs have PvE alternative - its LFR and heroic dungeons. This rewards are fair and even pretty hight for AFK gaming.
long story short same gear mean:
1)pvers have fun in pve
2) pvers have fun in pvp
3) pvpers must farm pve (it’s boring from the pvpers point of view)
4) pvpers complains about pvers that have better pvp gear
as you say this is an mmo with pvpers and pvers not a pve mmo and we need some difference for a fair game.
Except pve gear is superior in every aspect. Not sure why you crying.
You can where is the issue?
I think u totally don’t understand what ppl talking about, go play PvE, met u there… maybe…
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