PvE vs PvP Difficulty and Rewards

[Athulua-silvermoon]

Because of this giant gear disparity players that want to PVP need to do heavy PVE grind before that. Like, really heavy. They have to grind everything, from world quests through mythic+15 up to heroic nya clear and few easier bosses from mythic nya.

What was wrong with WOD pvp system? Honor gear from honor point farming (battlegrounds on BG week = ultra fast gearing), conquest gear from weekly conquest cap. You didn’t had to PVE at all, just farm honor from battlegrounds and then play rated (full Warlords Season 3 with 730 pvp ilvl)

There was no PvP power but even simple honor gear was 730 ilvl in PVP which was about as strong as mythic HFC gear. In PVE it was about 700 iirc, good but not OP.

Gear locked behind rating was WOTLK thing. There’s a reason they got rid of that system. I have no idea why they brought it back.

[Lxser-draenor]

Don’t care didn’t ask pvp sucks this expansion move on stop crying and spamming the gd forums with something that won’t change anything thx

You already get to turbofarm echoes in arena anyways, be happy that ilvl isn’t even that relevant.

[Shadazzle-zirkel-des-cenarius]

I basically did this the other way around (playing pve and then jump into pvp). The main problem I see is that even on the lowest ranking (below 1400) everyone has way better gear than that rating rewards.

I did that with my freshly leveled druid heal after 2 weeks of mythic+. And I would basically have to get to 1.8k rating to get a useful item from the weekly chest (2.1k for useful end of match rewards).

It’s not a big deal for me but as a new player interested in arena it can certainly feel really unrewarding.

[Koevfot-the-maelstrom]

Yes pvp sucks this expansion but so does pve, nvm you wouldn’t know since you have only cleared 3/12 Normal Mode.

[Lxser-draenor]

Because this is my main character and raiding is the only pve content

pvp player iq confirmed once again

[Barzda-silvermoon]

@Koevfot-the-maelstrom

So, I just finished a +15 Freehold key during tyrannical affix week for my weekly chest. It was the first time I ever stepped into that dungeon, we got a 2 chest and I didn’t even die once.

It basically took me 30min of jumping around and healing without knowing the mechanics to get my 475ilvl piece of gear in my weekly chest through pve.

But to get a 475ilvl piece of gear in your weekly chest through pvp you have to be in the top 1% bracket of the PvP playerbase, and spend 2 hours to cap conquest points.

This is just funny to me.

Weekend is already over for these kinds of threads.
Well I also went to pvp a bit into random BG today, was a total zug zug, 5 orcs chasing me trying to kill, standing and getting healz from my team, wasn’t hard really.

[Barzda-silvermoon]

@Alexima-kazzak

Welcome to the world of mythic+ dude. This game basically gives 95% of your good stuff in mythic+ runs.

Now try getting 475 from mythic raiding. See how easy that is.

Spoiler alert: it isn’t.

But yea. Generally speaking, pvp gearing is harder than pve, even if there wasn’t mythic+ in it. Simply because most of your item gains are just shots in the dark and not actually the way it used to be with pvp vendors.

It was the same in classic, best pvp’ers were going with pve gear. Old times cam back, and again pvp’ers are crying, just decide what you want already…

[Сладуляя-gordunni]

that is funny but now we have classic and bfa, the best times for pvp players

[Koevfot-the-maelstrom]

I checked your main character which is a rogue with 200 arena rating, 900 io score and 3/12NM cleared. I don’t think you have room to talk.

[Lxser-draenor]

I haven’t played my rogue since 8.2, try again buddy.

Or is that too difficult for you? : (

[Duzurîx-burning-blade (Duzurîx)]

@Daestra-turalyon

Freehold in 470 gear already and on easy affixes pretty unfair assessment tbh .

Ye but thats not the point, right?

For you and all other 50 ppl that came to this topic with “but freehold is easy”…it doesnt matter in the slightest…you get your 475 at the end of the week no matter the dungeon, afixes, if you timed it or not, how hard it was…

There is no easy afixes or easy dungeon to get 2400 in rated pvp, and you have to win to get the chest btw…not just participate. You can lose to double destro or rmp all week long and fet absolute trash for it.

[Koevfot-the-maelstrom]

Weird how your main character Rowogue-Stormscale has arena games, m+ done and raid boss kills this season considering that you haven’t played it since 8.2 hmm. If that’s not your main then what character is? Buddy,

[Lxser-draenor]

Ah you mean the 3 normal mode kills like a week after 8.3 hit? The 1000 rio score from boosting when ilvl wasn’t even unlocked yet?

I’ve played like 2 or 3 weeks total this patch and only just came back on my druid, but nice try with your pvp gigabrain

[Koevfot-the-maelstrom]

@Lxser-draenor

Ah you mean the 3 normal mode kills like a week after 8.3 hit? The 1000 rio score from boosting when ilvl wasn’t even unlocked yet?

I’ve played like 2 or 3 weeks total this patch and only just came back on my druid, but nice try with your pvp gigabrain

You seem to have a lot to say for someone that has “played like 2 or 3 weeks total this patch”.

@Barzda-silvermoon

@Koevfot-the-maelstrom

So, I just finished a +15 Freehold key during tyrannical affix week for my weekly chest. It was the first time I ever stepped into that dungeon, we got a 2 chest and I didn’t even die once.

It basically took me 30min of jumping around and healing without knowing the mechanics to get my 475ilvl piece of gear in my weekly chest through pve.

But to get a 475ilvl piece of gear in your weekly chest through pvp you have to be in the top 1% bracket of the PvP playerbase, and spend 2 hours to cap conquest points.

This is just funny to me.

Weekend is already over for these kinds of threads.
Well I also went to pvp a bit into random BG today, was a total zug zug, 5 orcs chasing me trying to kill, standing and getting healz from my team, wasn’t hard really.

Yes, random BG’s are really easy, no one is denying that but you don’t gain 475ilvl gear from completing one do you?

[Lxser-draenor]

@Koevfot-the-maelstrom

You seem to have a lot to say for someone that has “played like 2 or 3 weeks total this patch”.

Yes, PvP players have been crying for 1 1/2 years and it hasn’t gotten any less annoying

[Verdill-burning-legion (Verdill)]

Exactly this. If someone can’t understand that then they should rethink it more xD

[Сладуляя-gordunni]

the biggest problem here - countless number of players can have 15+ closed keys and also countless players can complete mythic raid, but not all players can have 2400 even because you need to take a place which taken by another player, you have to kick him out and take his place(that means he already lower than 2400, if you close a 15 key you will not kick any one from a 15 key), so there can’t be as many players over 2400 as many want just on this week spend their time and do it.

[Tahen-pozzo-delleternità]

@Duzurîx-burning-blade

For you and all other 50 ppl that came to this topic with “but freehold is easy”…it doesnt matter in the slightest…you get your 475 at the end of the week no matter the dungeon, afixes, if you timed it or not, how hard it was…

true, but again, it’s clearly an experiment on scaling the rewards by blizz and they done it absolutely hands down knowing that corruptions would have trashed ilvl.

@Duzurîx-burning-blade

There is no easy afixes or easy dungeon to get 2400 in rated pvp, and you have to win to get the chest btw…not just participate. You can lose to double destro or rmp all week long and fet absolute trash for it.

True again, but also, you can’t have people bashed in pvp every day because of the wrong corruptions, they need a carrot coming from somewhere. M+ is the ideal choice, one random item out of 200+ choices.
Most of what come out of my +15 chest is still in my bag/bank or similar, too random to be really useful.

TL:DR It’s easy loot? Yes. It’s gamebreaking? Not really.

[Shwosh-draenor]

You can’t expect to skip pve content even if you are top 1% in pvp witch would happen if you got the same item level from pvp.

[Mirlin-turalyon]

Imagine you want pvp but then you notice people have higher gear so you cant pvp at equal level. So you basically complaining you being easyly rewarded in pve to match other people gear in pvp?!and i think they did separated the problem is some pvp people like to pve, so they would have to double grind to do content, pvp and pve now is a choice always open no matter what you spend time doing in game.