So I rolled a mage because that was my favourite class in vanilla but apparently since I last played, AoE grinding become trendy it’s become the most popular class in the game. Now I’m seeing MC raids with 20+ mages out of the 40 players.
How on earth is anyone with a life going to get their tier gear for PvP in classic with that kind of competition for drops?
I was firmly in the “no changes” camp but I wouldn’t be opposed to them slightly tweaking the PvP rank formula to make r10 a bit more achievable. It required 50+ hours per week for a month in vanilla to achieve that rank and that only brought you up to par with T1. T2/3 were significantly superior still. 20 hours of PvP per week would be a more reasonably investment for those items.
I know that’s an option but it’s not a desirable one. I hate warrior because being kited is just the worst. Druid, hunter and shaman are very, very “meh” in PvP and I really enjoy mage. Before every class had a million speed boosts and teleports, a mage’s battlefield control was very satisfying.
Mage AoE dung farming threw tons of mages ahead, thats why you see soooooo many of them. Go play any nonAoE/noncleave class and you will be in better place (thats if you even find spot in group).
Raids will be oversaturated with mages for a long while. Easy class to level and alongside rogues the most played class. You will have a harder time getting geared up, and that’s just the way it is sadly.
you are right, playing a mage in classic myself, but only for farming materials for my other toons, as i am planning to play more a warlock, spriest, warrior and rogue.
Probably, with the exception of the rogue, there is massive competition anywhere…
Maybe i will stick to rogue, before bgs are in full swing and pvp vendors.
As for the 50+ hours…i like it that way. There is always retail for easy gear and casuality
No one is forced to get a high rank in classic or pray to the raid loot gods. I like how gear is less frequent in classic.
I think you miss the big picture here, when the majority of players is not having BIS, you are not forced to have BIS either.
I would rather like small, but reasionable changes in ilvl and stats of high rank pvp gear to be on paar with naxx, when its released. This would be fair enough as only 0,1% of players would get weapons anyways.
For example; just look on that corrupted ashenbringer in p6 in naxx and compare it with high warlord 2 hand weapons. Not saying it should be the exact same item lvl or power, but more close to it, after time passes.
Not an issue in the first phases, though and just a realy minor thing.
That’s not really an option now. I’m committed to my mage now. Rerolling would have me absolutely miles behind the pack. Besides, I love mages. Control and mobility is a rare blend.
Mages are good for ganking perhaps, but in bgs a warrior is never without heals and dispels deleting people in seconds.
In any kind of 1vs1 situation locks and spriest will eat any kind of mages, this gets worse when more gear is released.
Pretty overrated overplayed class, tbh, specially on horde side, there is no reasion to not use fear chains, that said playing mages seriously for pvp makes more sense from an alliance PoV.
The strongest class in pvp is a lock in naxx gear, won’t see this any time soon, though.
Few things wrong here. Firstly, it’s not 50 hours to get PvP gear. It’s 50 hours every week consistently over a period of 6-8 weeks. If you’re an adult with a job (all vanilla players are now), that’s just not possible. There literally are not enough hours in the day to balance both.
Secondly, its a false assumption to think not many people will be in BiS. People are less casual and much more informed these days than they were back then. MC is a bit of a joke now and even very casual players can farm it.
please do not put words in my posts that weren’t here.
And you still miss the big picture, due to competition in those raids and a (still think weekly?) lockout nobody wil get that pve gear any time soon and be BIS.
When too many players geared up through MC another raid will be released and BGs and the ranking system + gear both is superior to MC gear.
Lets see how many will do successfully naxx in p6, i am interested in that one way more than the level p1 phase and easy MC gear ups.
As far as pvp goes, TBC was the superior expansion, i consider Classic is just for joy and giggles, it does not really have proper pvp gear system at all.
All true , TBC is also world of locks and warriors and rogues, everything working as intended.
Druids only come up strong in s4, but then again, they are the most dominating class there there is no remotely a competition all meta classes are carried by a druid.
Vanilla is just for the questing expierence and pvp ranking grind and then you are done.
TBC was the best IF you consider arena to be the be-all and end-all of PvP. I personally think arena is absolute trash and would take a good AB match or skirmishing inside Blackrock Mountain over it any day of the week.
bgs were best in TBC, as well. No competiton at all compare to any other expansion, even wotlk sucked in comparission by adding more machine bgs increasing only the wait times removing pvp play.
And people played to win, as the rewards were rather good compared to most other expansions, especially current one. Competition in bgs was high.
Arena was not trash in TBC, it turned to trash after TBC. It was completely unlocked, unscaled, fun and 2s was not penalized, healers, other than druid were not op.
Wotlk was pretty fun and balanced without ICC 25 HC Items and i think Wotlk Classdesign was pretty Cool specially for Warlocks and Shamans
TBC has some Balance Problems specially with Rdrood´s but in S4 Rshaman Ret is pretty insane if ur Horde
yeah, tbh i went only in a few arena matches in wotlk and was fully commited to raiding as lock and mage, due to a guild and the LK story line.
In TBC however i pvp’d at least 8 hours a day/night and never stopped. It was really a great time for pvp. Never got that back, maybe slightly in cata/mop a bit.
Don’t care much for balance, as i am aware playing a rpg(kinda) and those do not work with balance in mind, there is always unbalance, nowdays its jut which class/spec you play with what setup.
That ICC25 gear, made some underwhelming specs powerful in pvp, so i rather like this. Like hunters(mark or surv) with full armor penetration in bgs 2-3 shotting tanks in resilence gear.
I never played a hunter in wotlk or endgame, but i thought this was fun for the giggles.
Meanwhile, everything seems boring on retail no matter if its balanced or not. :-/
As far as wotlk goes, i only regret not playing a dk in s5, i bet this was huge fun.
Anyways, bottom line is, i liked the gearing system in TBC-MoP best, but the pvp rank system of vanilla for grinding out people should have stayed as an alternative, but longer way to gear up and get titles or any other cosmetic rewards, would have been more consistent for a rpg.
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