Maybe just another post to add to all of the existing negativity towards the current pvp system, but I’ll try to phrase this constructively.
For casual pvpers like me the current arena rating- and rewarding system has nothing to offer. All you see in arenas nowadays are botters and gladiators on their alts at low rating going 6-0, making people ragequit, making the climb impossible for others and completely ruining the fun. Gladiators with their powerBI dashboard pvp addons UI filling their whole screen with information about everyone’s global cooldowns and to track their meme stonks at nasdaq open at the same time. As a casual pvper I dont have the ambition to turn my UI into a digital piece of art that looks like the technical specification of an AI algorithm such that I dont even see whats happening anymore. New pvpers arent attracted, subbers plundge and even 1800 seems unachievable for the majority.
Does anyone know if changes are coming up to revitalize this sinking ship? If nothing changes soon pvp will be even more dead than it already is.
Because I said this was meant to be constructive:
Gladiator mount is an 1800 reward. This makes sense since glads play at 1700+nowadays (im not joking).
Opponent matching system should consider ‘highest pvp title’ (this will put all glads/legends together in their bubble no longer bothering us noobs ^^)
Dont allow (pvp)addons to prevent unfair (dis)advantage.
No, I dont have the illusion that anything will be improved since its been like this for years.
Im by no means a great player but I didnt struggle on the 8 classes I managed 1800 on so far, all entering with greens so yes, 1300-1700 is the hardest before having gear. But at that rating its really just about CD-management and using ur kicks/cc. Its all a matter of the great learning curve called WOW PVP.
Lowering the standards for glad or elite sets would just be wrong and it would be achieved the first week of the season making it even more “dead” early. And if someone got their glad 8 years ago its not relevant what so ever in todays pvp. I got duelist this season after 600 games on my healer, which was a struggle because I did it in RSS but as I said - by no means impossible. I for one have done probably more then 1500 rounds on my characters and i barely see any “gladiators” around the CR you are referring to. However, I do see alot of washed up glads with bfa/Sl pro bono season mounts who all are playing at the rating they belong. And IF you face a proper glad, it’ll be one game budd. After that theyve trippled your mmr in a few games making you not face them anymore.
The majority of gladiators in this game are just duelist players who played in very rating inflated seasons in shadowlands. If I was you I would not care if someone is gladiator or not.
Tbh weak auras are rly broken. If you remember maledicts it would tell you the tactical nuke incoming 2 sec before it actually happened so you could ground/reflect etc. Stuff like that should never exist (well it got reworked luckily). However in first place there shouldnt be stuff you can’t track by yourself, random procs etc. Weak auras actually made game really boring cos every time i pres havoc for example warrior get big red alert and insta press reflect → use banner → bladestorm → maybe second bladestorm. This is just cringe and boring to play against as it lowers the skillcap. Or whenever i press coil every dh gets alert glimpse Now!!! Meld now!!! Etc. Dogs who otherwise would be Blind are suddenly reckfuls. (Obviously omni bar does the same but its a little bit harder to see atleast)
At this point the PvP playerbase is so niche believing any change would “revive” PvP is a delusion. To be fair they should do like a lot of games do with this sort of playerbase, which means cater to the best players because they’re the only ones that will keep playing season after season.
And I’m saying this from the casual PoV. Everyone thinking that if rewards were to be more accessible, they would play more is completely delusional in my opinion. If you were actually having fun and legit wanted to play more, you would be eligible for those rewards because you would have spend the necessary time to have the skill. Somehow you don’t spend that time, and you’ll quit after 3 weeks of playing an xpac/a season, just like the rest of the casuals (yes that’s also me).
Addons just needs to be completely removed from the game. Both PvP and PvE is build around addons by now, making the gate to entry way too complicated for new players.
Just removing addons for example PvE right now without adding roughly a “dbm” into the game would gate waaaaaaaaay more ppl in m+ and potentially raids.
Addons makes some of it easier for newer players to understand. Have a few I know whos pretty much new.
That’s because the fights is designed around addons. Because everyone uses addons, they have to make the fights harder, otherwise it would be too easy.
Last time I saw some guy on a glad mount I was like “Oh, well, this is gonna be fun – not”.
Then I checked him up. Guy doesn’t seem to have been actively playing since TBC judging by his achievements and the class he was on now didn’t even exist back then.
And the game would be insanely easy if they made things deal no dmg that you have to avoid. Needing to read up on everything vs having something helping you is a big difference.
Max did talk roughly about this part about removing addons that he would prob be alot for it if they made things alot more visual, for example how it is in FFXIV which I kinda agree with. Right now, when you see some of them you barely have a single second to avoid it. So having some form of warning BEFORE makes it easier to avoid it while without it I most likely would be hit.
Thats one of the reasons why I dont rly care about “glad” ppl. If they have done it every single season (not paying obv like a certain someone) then its obv different. They have way more experience than majority of ppl and know more than we do on certain things which usually make them climb faster than others.
Sure
Make it a participation reward.
There are bots who boost people in 2v2 / 3v3 now so… its a worthless title anyway
Let people have fun and enjoy the game.
Ofc, kinda why I mean its not rly worth caring if ppl are glads or not when you get into a lobby with said ppl xd
Just play to your best, you either win or you dont ^^
Last season I got called out for “wintrading” from both healers and a rogue (same lobby). One of the healers had glad mount. But werent rly “good” in my eyes.
Were quite interesting though xd
Considering you cant get the glad mount from RSS (Which is how it should be) and ppl needing the “rewards” to feel like they rly rly want to play isnt rly a great system, since its just a carrot if so.
Sure, these 2 seasons I rly only go for duelist before I stop caring since the weapons dont rly look that great for me. The illusions however is nice and I will sooner or later go for this seasons aswell. Just doing my daily bgs to gear up before I do it since I cba rly xd
That mount goes for 80-150 euros on certain websites TODAY. The second I saw that price + the sheer number of stock they had available I just automatically assume any SL S2 mount is bought and paid for. 80-150 euros is such a small amount of money for an unobtainable mount, it reveals that likely thousands of these were obtained for the sole purpose of being sold. I would not be surprised at all if bought SL S2 drakes outnumber real SL S2 drakes 2:1.
Shame no one had the presence of mind to do the same with Corrupted Ashbringer back in the day…
the thing is, i think some players need the carrot on a stick, i dont said it´s a great system, but The current system is also not good
wintrading is anyway a meme, since solo shuffle exist, some people on the forum are thinking, that wintrading even on lower 1.4 rating happens 24/7
yeah, i got flamed 24/7 there, when i died, even when i died with no cds left except barkskin, i used it at 100% ofc, but it does nothing and i died in one stun
idk solo shuffle is weird, the first one who dies getting flamed, atleast in most of the games
i hope they wont change it, if they make glad mount for rss it´s over, u can delete 2s and 3s, then, and glad mount will have the same value as the sl ssn2 mount