So “Also of note are some changes to PvP currencies—notably, Conquest is once again a spendable currency earned through Shadowlands Rated PvP. Players will be able to use Conquest points to purchase specific items of their choice from a vendor in the capital city of Oribos (in an easy-to-find location, naturally). Conquest can also be used to upgrade that gear further (similar to how Benthic gear worked with Manapearls in Rise of Azshara). We’ll have lots more information to share on the details of this system, as well as our broader endgame itemization plans, as the alpha rolls on and we reach max-level content.”
In few words, PvP Vendors are going to be useful only if you are a High Rate Arena player. Like you have to be now in order to get descent gear for PvP. The rest can suck it.
Yeah well wow is anti solo-player unfortunatly but that how the system has been designed since before. There is nothing in the game that you can accomplish on your own that is designed in a way which it rewards you with a high ilvl reward.
During tbc and wotlk, solo players were wearing a gear that is season behind but that is understandable because this is a MMORPG game which revolves around team based skill rather than personal skills like arcade games or shooting games.
Sad life for solo players but we know what we signed up for.
Imagine people that want to get gear by rolling on beginner on PvP to get gladiator stuff
You know that Ranked arena is accessible for everyone ?
Ranked arena is a good system to evaluate the level of the player, and so can make is progression in depend of his skill.
Oh wait you thought that you wanted a way with PvP gear with people boosting you for rolling in random BG to get gear ? Forget it.
Their system that we must do ranked PvP for gear in shadowland is the best actually, it demand “Effort” for the player to get his gear. Not pressing 1 button, afk spectator in random BG and getting the gear. And so more you are skilled, more you are rewarded. It’s almost like Mythic +
Conquest is completely obtainable for your average player, heck 1.5 arena rating earns itself eventually and that is a lot of conquest, let alone wpvp/bg/dailys etc.
Also this is not a finished product by any means so I struggle to see how it is a lie when anything can change at a moments notice?
No, we just want PvP Vendors WITH PVP GEAR (like in WoD). We don’t care about PvE or Gladiator gear. PvP Gear for PvP players for PvP is all that we want. Accessible and balanced.
I asked Watcher(Ion) on twitter if we can still earn conquest through un-rated PvP just like we do now, hope he replies probably not.
But yeah not a fan of arena either so earning it through unrated is the only thing available to me. If they take that I really don’t know what I’d stay subbed for since doing battlegrounds is most of what I do ingame.
If we could spend our honor or marks of honor on atleast some PvP gear, few ilvl below the conquest gear - that be great too.
You don’t know anything about numbers yet. You don’t know how they are going to touch and adjust the Conquest ratio, the Arena Rank and the amount of it. You don’t know what are they are going to do with the Vendors, but because it’s Blizzard, I can already guess that you would have to be 2.500 player to get Top Gear. Again PvE would be easier to obtain gear for PvP and goes on. Lies on lies.
Agreed, I do not, I’m just going from experience because this system has existed in each expansion up until this point, it’s the same as proclaiming the pvp vendors are a lie because in reality we don’t know for certain, the game is still being made and many changes are likely.
I do agree however on your other post, I definently would like to see more accessible PvP gear, I want to see it on par with PvE in regards to how quick it is obtained and overall power.
Much like it was in WoD.
PvP ranked is accessible what da heck you are talking, everyone can do PvP ranked until they are max level.
if i must resume what you have said it’s like :
As PvPer when i see people that is boosted on M+ for gear it disgust me, if you want that now in random BG or with an another method else than ranked PVP then it’s not for you
Not really, you need to have friends to play arena, so you need to deal with quitters, ragers and having a stable team.
Why is that the tournament and pvp ladder are always dominated by the same players? because they are all friends, teammates by sponsorship and etc.
There is lot of requirement that is needed in order to do arena because there is not an option where you can just click join like you do with random bg and epic bg.
There are lot of top players in wow that could have taken these spot but they could not do so simply because they dont have a stable team or a push that is needed
Dude, did you even played on WoD PvP? Or am I wasting my time explaining what people want? What really people want and are asking for are same PvP Vendors as those we had back in WoD. So PvP would be balanced and fun again. Not going against someone that paid for M+15 (AS YOU SAID) or someone that paid or have pro friends in the arena and got Boosted on high ilvl gear. Simple and fair. Skill > Gear. It has to be obtainable for everyone at some point. And it has to be PvP - NOT Corrupted - Essenced - etc.
But surely you can see that the request gets difficult to accommodate.
Here’s roughly what the PvP gear order is:
Best for PvP.
Easy to obtain.
Buyable from a vendor.
That’s obviously a tall order, and a nigh impossible one to deliver.
What it basically boils down to is this:
“I want BiS PvP gear from just doing a couple of Random Battlegrounds, kthxbye!”
The best gear for any activity obviously has to be the hardest to acquire. Otherwise you break the reward structure and every newly-dinged alt would go straight to PvP for the easy epics.
Likewise, if you want things on a vendor where you can litterally pick the exact item variant you prefer, then the frequency by which you can buy items has to be slowed down, since you’re avoiding the whole aspect of looting duplicate items or useless items or no items. Such is the tradeoff between deterministic loot and chance-based loot.
Like in every else content ?
Only in RP there’s no quitters, ragers . Exept that whatever the content you have to deal with that.
Because they are Professional player ?
I mean come on you can find mate in PUG and be friend in game, it’s a MMORPG, WoW is know to making friend so easely.
So LFR / random BG / epic BG is the best system ?
If we think like you do we should ask getting Mythic raid gear in LFR because it’s hard to join group when LFR is just pressing 1 button.
If they want to play with people , there’s the PUG systems. And with that PUG system you can make NEW Friends
People that didn’t play on Warlords of Draenor Expansion, have no idea how PvP Vendors work or PvP Gear works, since they didn’t have the fun and pleasure to play on “Real” Ashran or at the time that “Real Skill” mattered, instead of a Guild/Friends/P2W Item LVL boost matters of today.
probably not.