[PvP] Warlocks underperformance as result of homogenization of most classes

Classes Warlock
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As tittle sujests, Warlock underferfaormace in PvP is direct result if gameplay [PvP] homogenization of most classes.

let’s look at melee toolkit in this and previous Xpac.

  • They have untstanding mobility, even DK now has one baseline moblity ability and one that can be picked in talents.
  • They all have good self sustain abilities - Heals, defence, antimagic spells.
  • They all have good burst, and pressure damage, that in most cases didn’t require time to ramp up.
  • They ALL have interupt in 15 second CD.
  • They all have great CC, some of them even has range CC.
    They all may seems diffirent from visual standpoint, but in pure gameplay they all plays the same, yes they wears diffirent armor types, diffirent weapons, but in the end, all their gameplay is almost copycat from each other.

After destruction of warlocks gameplay in Legion, warlocks lost all their tools to counter other classes.
Warlocks lost all their tools to counter other classes.
I can win some 1v1 situations, but as warlock i spend twise as much efforts if i would play some DH, mage, hunter, rogue.
Warlock gameplay…well every caster gameplay (EXEPT MAGES) leaves no room for mistake for you.
Melee and mages, has too much great tools to deal with others.

Warlocks: doesn’t have:

  • Mobility is non existent - without that we can’t escape or pursue our enemies.
  • Self heals are broken and useless - heals was pruned significantly in Legion for Demo/Destro, and for all warlocks in BFA.
  • Damage may be good, but it’s gravely easy to shut down and counter.
  • Damage requires ramp up across all warlock spec
  • Baseline interupt is locked behind pet
  • Pet abilities shares ideas and diminishing timers with warlock abilities
    • Seduction and Fear are basically same spell with minor differencess.

With current warlock toolkit we are unable to be competitive against melee and mages, sure i can kill SPriest or Boomkin…but this only leads to another discussion of how they are broken as we.

Warlocks are the victims of criminaly bad developers attitude towards class.
Look at our gameplay in PvP and dynamic combats - it is mess.
This isn’t the work of designers who loves and understand warlocks.

If warlocks was a book, then MoP/BFA was a Good dark fantasy book, then Legion/BFA gameplay is crapy fanfiction.

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Can’t believe they can’t be zandalari

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No matter what, i admire again your persistence…

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Homogenization and aesthetics, Blizz have to do this because if Warlocks were very effective no one would play melee.

Same with Rogues, because they have Stealth (which I’m sure Blizz want to give to every class) they are more ‘fun’ to play and thus more people are inclined to roll that class, so what Blizzard have to do is somehow nullify this and they do that by nerfing them.

Paladin is also a classic example, one of the most boring classes to currently play, 3 buttons at it’s finest so to keep the interest they do great DPS.

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No idea how locks are atm, but in general casters are harder to play - though a very good and/or experienced player can be good at any class, the skill floor for casters tends to be higher. In organised pvp locks can do very well, but the average 1500 lock will get roflstomped by the average 1500 melee (oh and also you are hopeless 1v1).

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Warlocks were good at level 60, and have had their abilities removed and nerfed since then, while other classes with said abilities have arisen and remained strong. Maybe these abilities should never have been removed from the warlocks?

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Sad thing is, even if we recive back spells like demonic circle base line, or instacast on shadowfury and ETC it won’t change much in high compedetive scene.

Our gameplay has too many flaws, in every level possible. From simple design to core tech programming.

Class design is bad right now, when three distinctly different specs plays all the same - collect your resources, and ramp up your one spell to do 70% of your overall damage - chaos bolt or Tyrant with talent.

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there are a lot of people who never played aff warlock. still believe they don’t need any buff and are doing well in arena…

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And that is way the number of subs is declining.

if you want to make the game interesting, go assymetric and give every class something useful and cool, but different.

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Homogen’a’what-now?

Why warlock is broken in pvp = warmode!

They took spells which used to have two traits, split them in two and said, well that part is a pvp trait which you must now choose.

Conflagrate, used to slow the target in both pvp and pve. But now you must select for it to do that only in pvp.

They have removed or disformed all of our defensive abilities.

We need Dark Pact (and it should be as defensive as a paladin’s bubble, complete immunity to all damage), AND Burning rush, And Demon Skin, - we should not have to choose between them, we need them all.

What was the spell called where you would roar and everyone around would run in fear for 3 seconds? Howl of terror or something? Well we need that!

Shadowfury, how long does it take to cast now? well we need it to be instant cast and to have a much shorter cooldown. (rather than having a wasted talent option that nobody would choose to have to reduce it’s cooldown). We need instant shadwofury, with reduced cooldown, And mortal coil, And demonic circle, and we should not have to choose between them.

The ability to move while casting, we seriously need that! with the pushback on spells making it impossible to defend against any mele attack or mele duo.

We need all that, because we are everyone’s primary target in pvp.

I could go on, but I will just say this…

Everyone is so afraid of getting feared or a chaos bolt to the face, that warlock is primary target for everyone in pvp, and has no way to defend themselves.

I went in one battleground for example, where I was practically hugging the healer. The poor druid ran out of mana trying to keep me alive, and I tried to move, only to have a train of horde, trailing behind me. Completely unable to cast a single spell in my own defence. I got the feeling that half of the horde team were possibly on a voice channel and someone shouted “kill the warlock, kill the warlock!”

Warlocks are totally defenceless, and cannot play pvp alone against equally geared or higher geared players of any class, but especially against any mele class.

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If you guys think that lock is totally fine when it comes about pvp, then you should play some high rating.
Destro is broken, facetanking every class isnt that hard. Especially this demo armor.
Be happy that ur class is literally one of the best so far.

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Yes, because destro really strong now, but honestly in the core it still totally pruned and primitive - it is just facetanking chaos bolt bot.

Give us back all our escape and cc abilities and passives and we agree to be not so “facetanky”.

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All you warlocks answer this question.
“If warlocks are underperforming how come you meet a Warlock in 90% of all arena games in 3s?”

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There are at least 6 classes more used than locks in 3v3 arenas at ratings of +1800.

Plus, the reason why destrolocks are popular in 3v3 is because your arenamates can supply you the things the warlock lacks: cc, control, stuns, etc.

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@Pocman, you forgot to say that team can provide “tank and heals” which is what the destruction warlock cannot possibly survive without.

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Yea cause warlock doesn’t have conflag root, fear, shadowfury, infernal stun and coil. I see everyone else is idd way ahead in cc xd. Just stop yourself man.

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And you forget that with all this quantity of CC, none of them are useful to help you win. Quantity is not quality.

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Uhh how is this cc worse than other cc?

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  • castable.
  • Huge mana cost.
  • Shares diminishing with Seduction.
  • can broce from 1 point of damage.
  • castable.
  • low duration.
  • Non baseline.
  • Destruction only talent.
  • Demonology only.
  • Long travel time.
  • Sometimes requires your line of sight.

(Problem with demonology)

  • Picking succubus over felguard imediately cuts you from specific talents: Demonic strenght and soul strike.

Before scream something like “OMG Warlocks are unkillable and do fel tons of damage” try to play warlock and execute this over90000000k chaosbolt crits, or survive on your own in pvp.

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I play with warlock on daily basis. All 3k+ exp’d. ALL of them agrees that destro Warlock is overtuned by miles.