There can be more races in the expansion. Haranir for both factions, later on Amani and HE when the narrative advances a bit. I believe we will be fine.
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I hope you’re right. Some of us have been waiting for this moment for many, many years.
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If Anasterian Sunstrider was resurrected tomorrow
Do you think he will join blood elves or alliance traitor wanderers ?
During the Second War, Anasterian was largely unconcerned with the threat of the orcs rampaging through Lordaeron, considering it a problem that could not touch Quel’Thalas and thus not worth the high elves addressing. After Terenas Menethil sent a request of help, Anasterian sent only a token army to Hillsbrad. After the orcs joined forces with the Amani trolls (the Amani themselves ever-eager to see Quel’Thalas burn), he was approached by Alleria Windrunner, who attempted to open his eyes to the threat. Still reluctant, the high elven king finally changed his tone when Alleria hurled an Amani head at his feet, which roused Anasterian to anger. Kicking it away and enraged at the trolls’ nerve, the king ordered the high elven warriors and rangers to crush the Amani once and for all.
King Anasterian reluctantly joined the Alliance of Lordaeron, honor-bound to fulfill the pledge to the Arathi, of whom Lord Anduin Lothar was the last. Anasterian was forced to contribute more of Quel’Thalas’s armies when the outer forests were attacked by the Old Horde, and despite the elves’ desire to stay out of the war, their hand had been forced. The troll warlord Zul’jin aimed to hold Anasterian’s decapitated head high so it could see its people’s death, just before he devoured it whole. Make sure enable “see windows file extensions”
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I don’t know, but last time I checked, it was the Orcs and Trolls who were invading Quel’thalas, and the undead succeeded in destroying it. Do you think he would approve of the blood elves joining forces with not one, but two people who tried to genocide them?
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- Amani trolls
- old horde with demon blood.
- undeads were the scourge itself
Trolls we have in the horde are not the amanis and are enemy each other even before
blood elves came in the horde
- Amani (Forest Trolls):
Enemies with high elves and blood elves due to the Troll Wars. They also despise the Horde for allied with blood elves
- Darkspear (Jungle Trolls):
Enemies with the Skullsplitter and Bloodscalp tribes, among others. They are also enemies of the forest trolls.
- Zandalari (Jungle Trolls):
Maintain a tenuous peace with other trolls, but are the primary antagonists to the Blood Trolls and have a history of conflict with the Aqir. They are also the only troll faction to hold an alliance with the Horde.
The trolls we have from the Thrall’s horde are Darkspear ones then later Zandalaris
The orcs we have from the Thrall’s horde are not the same.
forsaken are physically undeads but with their free will, they re no longer associated with the scourge.
forsaken share the common past “killed by arthas / saw their kind killed by arthas”
basics, did you even open a lore book or just play warcraft rts games ?
Simply by playing warcraft 3 you can easily see that the old horde led by Doomhammer under Guldan influence is absolutely NOT the same than Thrall’s and his mindset
This is the main problem with the HE fan club, lack of lore knowledge and tolkien’s elves association.
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He was never a fan of the Alliance, he had to be compelled by ancient oath to join and even then he sent only a token force. He only committed fully when the Horde invaded Quel’Thalas and withdrew at the first pretext. The High Elves were the last in and the first out of the Alliance of Lordaeron.
Then again he would in all honesty be deeply perplexed by the Blood Elves allegiance to the Horde, he would have missed the devastation and despondency his people felt in the aftermath of the fall of the kingdom. He would have missed all the times the Alliance backstabbed his people in the years that followed. And he wouldn’t have the lived experience of how the Horde, as a looser confederation of sovereign states, was a better fit for the High Elves than the centralising Alliance.
Overall, he would join the Blood Elves, as he would join the Kingdom of Quel’Thalas and the Blood Elves ARE the Kingdom of Quel’Thalas…but he would cause issues in the Kingdom’s foreign policy.
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Exactly.
And yes and btw my question was “Do you think he will join blood elves” not the horde.
HE fan club think quel’dorei are like Galadriel/Elrond’s elves 
Well If you read anything about him. First…yes he join the Blood elves. however, however he would make the Blood elves “leave” the Horde, then he would “try” to make the Alliance High elves come home. Then he would lock up the gates of Quel’thalas as he does not care about other factions or races problems as he have always cared about his people, about independence and isolation.
Wrong, they are the same orcs from Blackhand’s Horde. Unless you are thinking of Mag’har that came from AU Draenor. All green skins of Thrall’s Horde orcs came from internment camp in Durnholde Keep of Hillsbrad Foothills, all belonging to Blackhand’s Horde. The rest they found in the outskirts but all part of Blackhand’s Horde.
And yet the Forsaken were Lordaeron Humans that treated High elves/Blood elves like crap. The humans of Stormwind did not. Its why Garithos left Stormwind and moved to Lordaeron.
Well that is true, however 1000s of years of hatred of trolls can’t just go away in mere seconds. As the Amani hunted High elves/Blood elves for 1000 years and drank their blood and sacrificed the High elves/Blood elves to their gods, their Loa.
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My question was about king joining BE, not the horde
Wrong, they are the same orcs from Blackhand’s Horde. Unless you are thinking of Mag’har that came from AU Draenor. All green skins of Thrall’s Horde orcs came from internment camp in Durnholde Keep of Hillsbrad Foothills, all belonging to Blackhand’s Horde. The rest they found in the outskirts but all part of Blackhand’s Horde.
Yes, but maybe i need to be more specific. I talked about different mindset between old and new horde. Warchief thrall was like a Hippie compared to blackhand and guldan.
Thrall would never attack and slaughter elves, probably not.
It is the root cause of the desire.
People are overlaying the traditional Lord of the Rings version of the fantasy, Elves, Dwarves and Humans, onto Warcraft and dismiss the problem that, well, this is Warcraft.
Not only has the narrative of the franchise evolved from the days of Warcraft 2, but they consciously ignore the faction divide that is at the very core of the game and is an important feature. Yes, even today in an era where we can group together.
Which leads to a the phenomenon of ‘Faux Incomprehension’.
Faux incomprehension is where an explanation for something is given and rather than accept that explanation, you decide to spend all your time arguing why that explanation is bogus OR you say something like ‘I can’t understand why they won’t do this despite all the support for it…’ despite the explanation having been restated multiple times since.
So on this particular matter, High Elves aren’t added because Blood Elves are High Elves, High Elves are playable just as a part of the Horde. Cue faux incomprehension. Whole reams of examples as to why High Elves ARE different, which invariably boil down to it being due a headcannoned cultured that exists only in the mind of proponents, examples of why High Elves COULD be different, which involved things like whole new customization options or even a brand new model (nice of them to volunteer Developer time for that) or simply rejecting the explanation entirely and painting themselves as the victims (we’ve waited sooo very long for this…why won’t they do it…it’s clearly going to happen during a patch…).
But at the end of the day the core reason as to why they’ve not been added…is that they were added, nearly twenty years ago. In fact we are coming up on 20 years since their announcement as a part of the Horde.
It’s ironic that those who demand they be added refuse to accept how unfair it is to the Horde side of the faction system, and they even denigrate the faction divide in their commentary, whilst expressing a strong preference for the Alliance faction. After 20 years…and the addition of the Void Elf compromise…this debate has grown tiresome. I restate for the record my hope that if there is narrative content for the Alliance High Elves in Midnight that it focuses on their retirement from the narrative entirely so that we can focus on the Blood Elves (true High Elves) and Void Elves (Void Mutants) going forward.
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Its very sad that HE fan club keep their actual mindset and humans simping when we talked and still talking about elven reunification.
the only quel’dorei who shouldnt be in Silvermoon and quel thalas are void elves.
Others need to come back, not in the horde if its a problem for them. But in the blood elves society.
It would be ironic if when Metzen was talking about Elven reunification he meant the High Elves going home and retiring…but we probably won’t be that lucky. I imagine there will be a minor Alliance High Elf presence in the expansion, just enough for those who use every sighting of a member of this group to get excited and spawn forum threads about how it proves they are still a strong and valued part of the Alliance…to keep the flame alive even as I suspect the ACTUAL narrative content is going to be Veressa Windrunner in some form.
And in the incredibly likely event the expansion ends without them being added, an expansion literally focused on Elves and set in the Elven homeland (so if not now, when?) it still won’t end things. The eternal vigil will continue, likely only ending when development ends…
Could be nice and lovely if this reunification cames from players themselves by accepting we are all blood elves.
No that was definitely your question. I know you, Becuase then you go on, that it makes sense for blood elves to join the Horde. If the King joins the Blood elves then makes sense that the King would also join the Horde. But Anasterian Sunstrider would never join them. Also he was forced to join the Lordaeron Alliance back in Warcraft 2 thanks to Alleria. Even back when the High elves first met the Barbarian Humans, Anasterian father. That be Kael’thas grandfather never intended to work with humans in the Trolls wars. Only use the Barbarian humans as a tool, a weapon against the Amani Troll. However not all High elves agreed with the King. Some stayed with the Humans, building Dalaran. The same Anasterian, when he ordered all High elves to come home after seconded war. Some did not listen and stayed with the Alliance and is still there. Fighting for the Alliance.
Blood elves was only playable to the Horde out of necessity and to give Horde a pretty race to balance the player population, not for it to make sense. However if the Blood elves had stayed as they were back in begning of TBC…then it would had made sense and given them a connection to the Horde as they were back then, seeking darker powers. Becoming more and more like Dark elves.
True but also Thrall did not “care” for magic so he did not see the benefit of Blood elves joining the Horde. Lor’themar had to “bribe” Thrall to join the Horde with knowledge (reports) of seeing uncorrupted orcs in Outland. Hence why Horde goes to Outland in the first place. To seek out these uncorrupted orcs.
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excuse me sir/ma’am
with deep intellectual honesty
If Anasterian Sunstrider was resurrected tomorrow
Do you think he will join blood elves or alliance traitor wanderers ?
where did you read the word “horde” ?
And sorry a king rules over his kingdom. If the king says “we re not more in the alliance” then the elvish nation is no more in the alliance.
If few elves decide to simp humans and stay in dalaran its not the elf kind. Its just some people.
Like mercenaries
Yet make sense it does. We have established that the High Elf relationship with the Alliance was transactional at best, given they were the last to join and the first to leave. Their bitterness at the Alliance for not aiding them when Quel’thalas fell to the Scourge is also indicative of the character of their leaders at that point, who saw things only through the prism of how it impacted them.
Couple that with the entire incident over Garithos and Sylvanas negotiating the entry of the Blood Elves into the Horde and their presence makes perfect narrative sense. The real world reasons as to why they were added are there immaterial to whether the story of their addition makes sense, it most assuredly does make sense.
As for your musings regarding HOW the Blood Elves could have gone…and thus leave thematic space for the High Elves, which is the clear point…they didn’t. The ending of TBC made them even more High Elven than they were before, de facto Light Elves and the most light-orientated race in the Horde (and I would wager second only to the Lightforged Draenei on that score).
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Ok, sure, you argue that the Orcs, Trolls, and undead are all different subsets that had nothing to do with the Second War’s invasion of Quel’Thalas/the Scourge invasion respectively.
But I do remember that the Blood Elves were discriminatory against the darkspear, at least in TBC.
" The relationship between the [Darkspear]tribe and the sin’dorei is a complicated one. Some blood elves (such as [Paelarin]) appear openly hostile to the trolls, going as far as to refuse them service despite their shared allegiance."
How is one able to figure out the nuance between the forsaken and the scourge, but not between the darkspear and amani?
Simply by playing warcraft 3 you can easily see that the old horde led by Doomhammer under Guldan influence is absolutely NOT the same than Thrall’s and his mindset
If you’ve played MoP, WoD, or BFA, it’s quite unfortunate that Garrosh and Sylvanas prove that the New Horde doesn’t need demonic corruption to commit war crimes and genocide 
But we can debate who is more evil some other time. Your main question was if Anasterian would side with the Horde. It’s a moot question because he’s a product of his time. Honestly? He would choose neither and simply sequester his people away from the conflict.
Then again, Genn Greymane did the same thing with Gilneas…
Also, it just occured to me. The blood elves don’t blame the new Horde’s orcs for the actions of Doomhammer, and neither do they (?) blame the Darkspear for the actions of the Amani.
So, why then, do they hold the entire Alliance in contempt for the actions of one racist warlord?
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That’s something focused on by players though it was a major contributing factor.
They hold the Alliance in contempt for leaving Quel’thalas to its fate at the hands of the Scourge. Yes, the Alliance had other issues at the time and yes, the Elves had left the Alliance. This is the Elven perspective, and a measure of arrogance is to be expected as a result. The survivors allied with Garithos out of desperation, who then used them as cannon fodder and tried to have them executed.
Garithos was more the straw that broke the camel’s back that finally severed the link.
Since then the Blood Elves have been attacked by the Alliance on several occasions and discovered that the Horde is a better fit for them. The Alliance tends to centralise, the Horde is a looser confederation of sovereign states. The Horde iconography in a thalassian style that is now on display in much of Silvermoon testified to this, and in game it maybe remarked upon by the Alliance who are tolerated in the outer zone of the city that Orcs and Tauren are more welcome in this city than they are.
And Trolls too, Palearin is one of the first NPCs a new blood elf would meet in a zone frozen in time at the moment before the Blood Elves had officially joined the Horde. His biases can only considered unrepresentative…
The full quote from Warcraft Wiki was as follows after all, pointing out that the Elven relationship with the Trolls in the Horde softened considerably.
" The relationship between the Darkspear tribe and the sin’dorei is a complicated one. Some blood elves (such as Paelarin) appear openly hostile to the trolls, going as far as to refuse them service despite their shared allegiance. On the other hand, Chieftain Vol’jin himself had an amiable and respectful relationship with both Lor’themar Theron and Halduron Brightwing, who were among the first blood elves to shed the haughty prejudices of their kind in the aftermath of the Scourge invasion. As time has gone on, relations with both trolls as well as the other Horde races have improved. In the aftermath of the failed Broken Shore excursion, various blood elves expressed concern for the well-being of Horde soldiers and Vol’jin. Numerous blood elves attended the funeral for the latter and answered the call to arms to avenge him, their Regent Lord additionally serving as one of the slain Warchief’s pallbearers."
And the Blood Elves are now in alliance with the Zandalari Empire who are also a part of the Horde, the most powerful and important of the Troll nations. Perhaps the narrative of Midnight, which will see us enter Zul’Aman and assist the Amani, will see Blood Elf and Amani Troll finally put millenia of bloodshed behind them with a formal peace treaty?
Again how? after 20 years Horde players still…still claim that Silvermoon fell first by Arthas when its was Lordaeron that fell first by the Scourge, what was left of the Lordaeron was scattered to the wind and went into hiding as they were “unprepared” for a Scourge undead army to attack them and Arthas murdering his father. Few days later Arthas got a message from Lich king his masters (aka the Legion) wanted to come to Azeroth but the only one could do that was Kel’thuzad and Kel’thuzad was a ghost and he needed something from Dalaran and something powerful magical source to resurrect him, which they also later used as a portal for the Legion. So Dalaran was second city to fall by Arthas…then…then it was Silvermoon. So there was Nobody left in the North of EK to help the High elves as Lordaeron was first to fall, Dalaran second and Gilneas nobody had heard nothing from them since the end of the second war. Nobody knew if anyone still alive behind the wall there. Sylvans knew…she knew that Lordaeron had fallen and Dalaran as their scouts had reported to her. Sylvanas mocked Arthas for killing his father at the first elven gate. If you even played Warcraft 3.
Stormwind had just recently finished building Stormwind with the help of the IF dwarves. And was still trying to recover their economy as it cost alot to run a kingdom. Its why they did not have an “ARMY”!! as the Upkeep cost “EVEN MORE” to have an army. And after the Second war they disbanded the army to save “gold” to run the Kingdom and focus on rebuilding as there was “NO WAR” anymore. Some Soldiers became farmers and some became guards. They were “FOCUSED” on rebuilding.
And again the High elves in Silvermoon was betrayed, “NOT” by the Alliance but one of their own. Dar’Khan Drathir, it is literally in the main quest line of Quel’thalas, The Blood elves main questline. “IF” the High elves shield would have hold then the Alliance would have “SAVED” the High elves as once their Mana/Arcane shield is active, the Sunwell would supply the shield indefinitely power. Giving the Alliance time…time to regroup and “BUILD” an army. But alas the shield fell and Most High elves died. So How did the Alliance abandon them to hands of the Scourge??? There was “NOBODY” left to help them!!!
And agian they did not leave them the Blood elves after when Blood elves wanted resources to rebuild their kingdom…the problem was Stormwind had used all their resources to build Stormwind and its Kingdom…all of it, they had nothing left to give and they had no control over their mines either. Their biggest resource was the Dead mines which was…controlled by “THE DEFIAS”!!. The other mines was controlled by other creatures, Worgen had controll over one mine, Ogres in one and yes they even had Gnoll problems everywhere. The dwarves of Ironforge used up all their resources to help the Humans of Stormwind to rebuild their city and Kingdom…so “NOBODY” had anything to give the Blood elves. Lordaeron was still at disarray after Silvermoon had fallen when they tried to regroup after there weas less undead around after Arthas left for Northrend a second time while Dalaran was trying to rebuild after their scourge attack.
So Again…“NOBODY” could help the Blood elves…“EACH” kingdom had their own “BIG” problems.
Garithos action was his own, not the Alliance as He was part of the “remnants” of the Lordaeron Alliance. The Humans in Stormwind condemned Garithos action against the Blood elves after learning about it much later on.
Well one can wonder. Same with Dalaran with Jaina as the Blood elves “claimed” they did not steal the Bell from Darnassus…yet behind Lothermar is the bell from Darnassus in Silvermoon?? Hmm innocent are they? Which later ended up in Garrosh hands.
So its both Alliance aaanndd Blood elves screwed up that treaty that Varian Wrynn was trying to make with the Blood elves to return to the Alliance. They stole the Bell from Darnassus via Dalaran then moved it to Silvermoon. Betraying the Kirin tor’s trust. How would they think Jaina would react when they knew what they were doing, betraying the Kirin tor using the Sunreavers. And yet they blame the Alliance??
Strange that Dalaran still tried to keep its neutrality after being betrayed by the Sunreavers. Aethas was the only one in Legion that tried to reconcile with the Kirin tor, among the Sunreavers. Although we know it wasn’t his fault when the other Sunreavers went behind his back to steal the bell from Darnassus for Garrosh as Aethas loved Dalaran. But he was the leader of the Sunreavers and he should have stopped them.
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That’s the point. Nobody said the Elven dislike had to be rational, and the fact the other nations in the Eastern Kingdoms were collapsing is an excellent defense. But the Elves found it difficult to care in the aftermath, preoccupied as they were with their own suffering and it was easier to blame the Alliance for leaving them to their fate.
Perhaps a better commander of Alliance forces could have helped them understand, but they got Garithos.