Quel’dorei High Elves as an Alliance allied race - 2024 (Part 1)

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Yeah starting to look like that, then it means the haranir really are elves and not half troll even if they have tusk. Even if the Night elves are suppose to be Wood(wild) elves of Warcraft.

Hm seems Blizzard have changed the lore and the Revantusk are same Amani. Seen in Talisen playthrough of Zul’aman. But The Amani was Blood thirsty trolls in the past but here they seems calm like the Revantusk now (But as I said before, maybe the Amani was not always Blood thirsty, maybe it happend when they lost their connection with their Loas), its why Orgrim Doomhammer liked about the Amani as they had no fear in battle. Sad they won’t be playable, only be customization for OG trolls without their new body when they look so awsome.

https://warcraft.wiki.gg/images/thumb/Troll_Berserker.jpg/800px-Troll_Berserker.jpg?a5b94c

Its even in their old art of the Amani trolls from Warcraft 2 as Berserker.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sruOOF0lguY

At 15.00 min.

The Revantusk have red version of the Amani armor so I quess that is to show they are part of the Horde. The Zul’aman zone looks interesting and massive so much to explore. Could be all forest troll tribes have moved back to Zul’aman for Midnight. Could be the Arathi Highlands going to be revmap again for that returning player experience with Thrall and Jaina. Talisen and Evitel did show a little of that zone in the clip.

Could been great if Blizzard did make the Amani and Alliance High elves playable later in Midnight.

We don’t know if the vision Vereesa saw of Umbric was Umbric himself or if it was Xal’atath disguised as him. Or that the Umbric and the rest of the Void elves going to betray Alleria and everyone else and cause conflict between the Alliance and Horde. That Umbric and the Void elves have joined Xal’atath and her Twilight’s Blade (Twilight’s Hammer upgrade). Could also be that the Light have chosen Vereesa to be the new prophet as Velen has abandoned that role since Legion. I hope it will lead to something with Vereesa’s new updated model and her visions as well as Arator Light journey. Still haven’t seen where Auric Sunchaser and his High elves are and last we saw him was in WOTLK. But we know he has a new armor. Mixed Legion and Dragonflight armor pieces seen on wowhead. Looks like the Army of the Light will also betray everyone and become the Lightblinded.

Maybe one day when we go where the Arathi’s Empire on the other side of Azeroth is we will see what became of the High elves that went with the Humans as the High elves don’t age as Humans. So they should still be around, only the Arathi Humans are gone by old age and replaced by the Half elf Arathi as Half elves lives longer than Humans but not as long as the Elves. And the Emperor of Light could be a High Elf or Half elf but Half elf would make more sense and like Turalyon he has infused himself with the Light to prolong his life.

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Amani are NOT being added as a playable allied race.

Have High Elf fanatics been sleeping under a rock or something…? Blizzard have already confirmed that Amani Troll features will be given to regular Trolls as a customisation feature.

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I believe the sole reason this is an issue is that it removes the obvious counterpart for the Horde so they can have Alliance High Elves. Their removal from the board indicates Alliance High Elves will not be a mid patch addition as seems to be the current hope.

Frankly I am thankful we aren’t getting a barely different new version of Trolls with bespoke racials and that the customisations are being offered to existing Troll players. This is what should have been done with most allied races anyway, made them customisations on existing races so players had more options.

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To be honest, I’m still a High Elf fan, through and through and I accept that High Elves are the boring race…the “meh” race, when you look at other ideas generated by the players outside of Amani Trolls.
One idea would the Naga (Naz’dorei) on Horde concept and for all intensive purposes…Naga are by far, more cool and extensive with a cooler philosophy on why they’re playable, than High Elves.

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The post in question:
“Since there’s been a lot of high elf chatter, I have a question for fun: if the high elves were an allied race, what would be their racial mount?”

Think the replies pointed to the Quel’dorei Steed.

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What? I want the Amani to be playable too. Warcraft 2 races returning to the game. I would race change the 3 trolls I have to Amani troll.

But that issue with that is that the OG trolls are “not” getting the new (Buffed) bodies (Buffed) with the new customizations. So the OG trolls would not really be Amani…just fake Amani troll.

Same with Void elves with High elves (Well “LIMITED” High elf customizations) so they “ARE” just “FAKE” High elves then be the Alliance High elves (The “High elves” that fought for the Alliance and still fighting for the Alliance today.) we been asking for as the Void elves are missing that lore and history that backs up the Alliance High elves as the Void elves never took part in the faction wars of the past (As in “they are…nobodies”) as the Void elves/Umbric and his followers never existed in the Lore…ever until Legion expansion as they were shoehorned/forced in to the game to give the Alliance alternative race (As they were last minute decision) when the Horde was given Nightborne when both Alliance and Horde wanted the Nightborne.

Well if they did that then the Horde would not get Nightborne as they were Highborne first (aka Night elves as in sub species of the Night elves) but sure the Mag’har orcs are the same orcs as OG orcs but from a AU universe. Blackrock, Frostwolf, Warsong etc. The Highmountain Taurens have moose horns and more fur but otherwise the same species as OG Taurens and HM Taurens would end up as Sub species of OG Taurens as HM Taurens look the same as OG Taurens in the Past until they got blessed by Cenarius. The Dark iron are sub species of Bronzebeards as they looked the same as OG Dwarves once upon a time until Ragnaros cursed/blessed them. Lightforged Draenai would be sub species of OG Draenai so they be customizations for OG Draenai. Mechagnomes would be customizations for OG Gnomes as they were first as Mechagnomes were just like the OG Gnomes. Worgen well they just be customizations for OG Humans. Earthen just be customizations for OG Dwarves and only for Alliance. I quess Zandalari and Vulpera would have their own race slots.

Now the Void elves would become customizations for Alliance High elves because they are sub species of High elves as High elves was first race and as you antis like to point out depending on the “situation” that either Void elves are different species from High elves, making them a “brand new” race or they are the same species as High elves. So which is it huh?

While we ask is for a race (An old race that always been part of the Alliance, with 1000s years history with Humans and Dwarves) that has lore and history backing the them up…how much have Void elves backing them up?? Very limited…as they

  1. Never took part of the faction wars in the past.
  2. They didn’t join the Alliance to go to Outland and fight there.
  3. Did not leave the Alliance back in Warcraft 2 when their King order them home like the Alliance High elves as Umbric and his followers don’t have that History or Lore since Umbric and his followers never left Silvermoon until they were forced out by Grand Magister Rommath.
  4. Umbric and His followers follow a darker path like the Blood elves have taking the Blood elves history and lore from Warcraft 3 in survival at all cost, even if it meant darker powers which Alliance High elves refused, to take a darker path which would lead them to ruin and tried their best to survive by siphon mana from magical artifacts.
    So when you say we “steal” or “trample” on Blood elf history and lore…that has already been done since Legion when Void elves was created as Umbric and his followers follow the “same” darker path as the Blood elves were on since begining of TBC until the end of TBC when Blizzard made the Sunwell patch to show middle finger for High elf fans “There, there Alliance, is your High elves” Which we never asked for, to change the Blood elves from who they were, but then again Blizzard kept the Blood elves the same for years being on the darker path and not changing them until now.

And we never asked for exiled Blood Elves to be on a darker path (And how could we since they never existed in the Lore or History until Legion were they magically…existed). We wanted THE High elves that have always been in the Alliance, that have a strong Lore and History with the Alliance and still part of the Alliance. Even if the Lordaeron Alliance fell in Warcraft 3, the Alliance High elves still stayed with the Humans and part of the Grand Alliance. Void elves don’t as they are…Nobodies really. They don’t have strong Lore and History backing them up which the Alliance High elves have. Only one which is Alleria but that is isn’t enough. And with the Void elves joining the Alliance (Which should never had happend as they stand for everything Alliance is against) its BROKE the Alliance as a core…their History and Lore. As all the other races connects them to the Light. And as you (people) talk about the Alliance need more edgy races…sure but they can’t break from what connects them or it breaks the Alliance. The Worgen was once humans but as Humans they were still followers of the Light. The Dark Iron would make more sense with the Horde as they been against the Bronzebeard dwarves and the Alliance for long, long time but…through Moira, she has tought the Dark iron dwarves about the Light so that now connects them with the other races within the Alliance. The Draenai are an alien race. Edgy sure but they have similar Ideals as Azeroth Humans and strong followers of the Light that connects them with the Alliance so if the Draenai were with the Horde…it would not have made sense. Sure the Night elves follow Elune but they connect by other means and Elune well kind of the Light.

Despite what Blood elves calls themshelves now. They also have strong “Lore” and “History” with the Alliance and Humans which makes them an odd race for the Horde. And have for years going back and forth between Horde and Alliance (As the Blizzard devs have for years with “carrot on stick”) and then up back with the Horde in the end, like I said they have long…long History with Humans then they have with the Horde. 1000s of years of History. And as the proof shows, meeting with the Arathi in Hallowfall were humans and High elves had mingled and created Half elves and has an empire. However if the Blood elves kept their darker path from TBC, it would have made sense for them being in the Horde. It says so in Blizzard own content trailer back at Blizzcon 2005. Their quest for darker powers lead them to a collision course with the Horde as Horde have long, long history with darker powers. Its in their art from 2005 Blood elves showed that the fel was their path (literally in everything) and looking more and more like dark elves. (The race theme which Void elves literally “Stole” from Blood elves and their History of in search for darker power, Which Kaiine likes pointing out that she/him does not want Alliance High elves to “STEAL” the Blood elves history and lore…“THAT” has already happend in Legion with the “Void elves”. Blizzard took everything that made the Blood elves, blood elves in TBC and created the Void elves out of them and gave the TBC Blood elves to the Alliance. Again we never asked for that. We ask for the “Alliance High elves” that never took that Darker path that the Blood elves did. We want the High elves that “refused” to follow Kael’thas path aka the fel. And some Alliance High elves did die for that decision from the Mana withdrawl while the Horde Blood elves escaped from that fate. Not to follow the Blood elves on their search for darker powers to survive) Until the end of TBC were they reignited the Sunwell. Back then…The Alliance saved the Blood elves…from themselves…it was not the Horde that did that…it was the Alliance. And looking at you Kaeros…you have chosen to look like the Blood elves “were” when TBC launched as fel as the theme.

https://static.wikia.nocookie.net/wowpedia/images/8/8f/Blood_Elf_Mage_concept.jpg/revision/latest/scale-to-width-down/250?cb=20181111233038

https://www.shatteredstar.com/images/screenshots/wow/bigones/expansion41.jpg

https://ia801200.us.archive.org/13/items/i1254170_trbvm_Ss20/ss7.jpg

What is the first thing that pops in peoples head when thinking about the Blood elves? what is the iconic theme for Blood elves?..fel of course. Second would be Light sure if its a Blood knight, but always fel is the first thing they think about.

https://static.wikia.nocookie.net/wowwiki/images/4/4a/BloodElvesSots.jpg/revision/latest?cb=20070924190345

https://64.media.tumblr.com/b7161701ab06ba98f2ba0b6ace2594c1/tumblr_pfhxrn3D8S1v7v97t_1280.jpg

Now if Vereesa’s visions are true and Umbric betrays everyone (Could still be Xal’atath in disguise sure)…but where does that leave the Void elf players if Umbric betrays everyone. Are the Void elves going to be cast out of the Alliance or would they be leaving the Alliance. I quess we see in Midnight. Velen’s visions were never wrong but outcome could be changed. He even saw his owns sons death even, if believed what he saw was a some random Eredar dying in his arms, in his vision.

Which Blizzard answered at a blizzcon, years ago that playable Naga would not happen because of technical nightmare. Their words.

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I’m glad to have you with us, but I would disagree that the High Elves are “boring” considering the rich lore behind them, as opposed to the bass ackwards new races like the Haranir and the Void Elves (which, I still think, are a great addition).

What gets people excited for new races is the history and the lore that have built up behind them. It’s probably why Blood Elves are so popular, as we got to know them in TFT. Ditto for the Goblins in Cataclysm. The allied races in BFA were also pretty neat as we got to know most of them while levelling up in Legion.

Perhaps I’m among the minority, but I really like the earthen, as we have known about them since vanilla.

But yes, the biggest issue with the Naga is that they don’t have legs.

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It also makes very little sense in the lore as it has progressed since.
Everyone hates them, darkspear trolls especially.
People who remember the orc prologue in wc3 will know

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The thing is the same Rich Lore applies to Blood Elves because the impact and Lore of High Elves after the split is minimal at best.

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The answer to your Amani issue is to use Amani customisations on your existing Troll and say he is an Amani, in the same fashion that you use Sand Troll customisations to argue that you are a Farakki. Your point about the build clashes with what Ion said in recent interviews, it is probably impossible if it means all future armour would have to be designed to fit Amani, even if those Amani used an underlying troll skeleton. They REALLY are very reluctant to add any more player quality skeletons to the game.

And it is the same approach with Void Elves. Simply roleplay your Void Elf as an Alliance High Elf who has turned into a Void Elf. We know it is possible, and there are customisations that mean the influence of the void will be limited to racials alone. You get the supposed lore and history (which in all honesty is a smattering of individuals across a decade or two, High Elven lore and history is Blood Elven lore and history) and merely have to append you became a Void Elf.

I would happily have sacrificed Nightborne to avoid the Allied race system. Imagine instead a Suramar where the population were just ordinary Night Elves, maybe using arcane runes. Then in BFA they join the Alliance, represented as Night Elves getting arcane rune customisations. But that is not what happened .

Now, in the context of the Allied race system every single addition has been meaningfully different from their parents, so they could have functioned as different customisations, but most of them also exist on the same faction as their ‘parent’. Void Elves and Nightborne are the exceptions, they are on the opposite faction. And which two allied races are extremely different from their parents? The Void Elves and the Nightborne. That is probably not a coincidence.

I explained the Void Elves/High Elves situation earlier but I will do so again.

Void Elves are NOT High Elves…in the sense they aren’t the pure, uncorrupted version of the race you seek. That would of course be a Blood Elf. On the other hand, Void Elves ARE High Elves in the same way that a Mag’har Orc is an Orc. You cannot deny they are an Orc, just a different type of Orc. So it is not a contradiction, it merely varies by context. Void Elves are a TYPE of High Elf, but not a true High Elf…which would be a Blood Elf.

And as for your complaints about Void Elf lore…every single Void Elf would at one point have been a High Elf. You can easily play a Void Elf who took part in the defense of Silvermoon from the Horde, may have gone to Outland to help the Alliance in defiance of their kin, settled in Stormwind afterwards in exile, got curious when these blue skinned Elves who looked thalassian showed up and then got yourself turned into a Void Elf.

The RP is in the eye of the beholder. Insisting that your Void Elf can do none of those things, when it is now well established that Void Elves can transform other Elves into Void Elves as Priest Ennas shows, is simply an attempt to avoid accepting that your complaint on lore and history has been answered.

Complaints regarding Void Elves in the Alliance and Blood Elves in the lore and who fits where…I am going to dismiss that outright. That is absolutist headcanon, which is the term I have coined to say that your conception of what the factions should be is now so strong that the actual story telling you otherwise is regarded as some sort of personal affront.

Blood Elves…and by extension High Elves…make sense in the Horde. It is more compatible with what their civilzation values. Similarly, Void Elves make sense in the Alliance because they are there because Alleria vouched for them, but that doesn’t mean the Alliance is entirely comfortable (go into the Cathedral in Stormwind and you see what I mean). Diversity in both factions is better, which also means not homogenising them.

Void Elves maybe following the storyline Blood Elves had in TBC, but I am comfortable with that. Far from the fel defining them, Blood Elves are de facto light Elves which is far more in tune with the traditional High Elf fantasy they represent. They are the second most light attuned race in the game now, with only the Lightforged Draenei standing above them, and it will be hard to see how this perception of the ancient connection to the fel as a supposedly defining theme that existed for one expansion will survive the coming expansion when them being light elves will be front and centre.

My transmog is of course a traditional Thalassian Elf magister regalia. I am quite happy with it. That is a personal choice but I have to caution that is less because I am expressing a devotion to the fel and more because red and green are my favorite colours in real life.

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Alliance High Elves do not have a rich lore.

“We got exiled, most of the places we went to got blown up, we killed a bunch of Elves during the purge of Dalaran and then we got usurped by the Void Elves in the narrative”.

Blood Elves have a rich lore. Alliance High Elves have the same lore until the moment they got exiled, but what they created in and of themselves has been paltry.

Void Elf lore is actually more substantial on their own merits.

Exactly. If Alliance High Elves have a rich lore, it is because they are appropriating what is mostly Blood Elf lore from before the split. Void Elves can make a similar claim up until the point THEY split from the Blood Elves too, meaning Void Elves also have a rich lore.

Meaning everyone has a rich lore and nobody has a leg up on that basis. On the basis of post split lore alone, Void Elves have an advantage in that they are doing something new.

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Never leveled a Blood Elf. Might do so now on legion remix.

For now waiting patiently on leaks.

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This gonna be my last intervention and after I m gonna let you quiet and with your eternal denial.

I asked to the 3 main IRL “naarus”

Question is :

  • Considering that in 2007 blizzard introduced playable blood elves instead of high elves

  • years later, blizzard introduced playable void elves, again instead of playable high elves

  • ion hazzikostas already told their mindset during an interview we can see on youtube about high elves. Saying " Blood elves is the way if you want play a high elf"

  • recently for the midnight trailer we saw the new playable race : Haranirs Again instead of high elves and amanis
    former playable trolls will recieve amani customization via achievement

  • void elves already recieved that kind of customization with blue eyes and fair skin.

  • Fact is : after all of that, many people believe and hope for real playable high elves.
    In your opinion, what is the % of chance it ll happen?

Grok
https://x.com/i/grok/share/FbQdCZM17HKN5Dus2fD9s2U0f

Chatgpt
https://chatgpt.com/share/68ef82d3-1538-8002-ac36-e925d74a0793

Gemini
https://g.co/gemini/share/ff25044bc12c

I also asked :

With a simple Yes or No

Do you think blizzard will add playable high elves?

Then its a solid triple
:dracthyr_no1: :dracthyr_no2:

1 can say A and be off topic
2 can say B and be off topic
3 can say C and be off topic

I let you guess the probability of failure if the 3, who are not connected not same company, who are saying the same answer and are not off topic.

The Naarus have spoken

https://tenor.com/view/checkmate-nadia-vulvokov-natasha-lyonne-russian-doll-my-win-gif-25658406

Farewell quel’dorei bro’ & sis’ and dont forget…

https://ibb.co/KjKXxpwg

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Now that’s my kind of mic drop

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Spot on. Not hard to grasp.

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Really? Asking AI chatbots to give you an answer that is biased towards your preferences and passing it off as the truth? I can do that, too but I choose not to

Artificial intelligence great when using pre-existing data, but it cannot predict the future.

Alliance High Elves do not have a rich lore.

Blood Elves have a rich lore. Alliance High Elves have the same lore until the moment they got exiled, but what they created in and of themselves has been paltry.

Void Elf lore is actually more substantial on their own merits.

Are you serious!?

I like void elves but their lore was essentially non existent until BFA, where they made some appearances in the war campaign. They will get a spot in the limelight in Midnight, but it’s delusion to say that they have more lore than the race that has lore and exposition dating all the way back to Warcraft II: Tides of Darkness!

Not to mention the fall of Quel’thalas at the hands of Arthas and his Scourge. Or are you going boldly claim that this lore belongs to the Blood Elves, even though they weren’t called Blood Elves until Kael’thas renamed them.

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Yes. Entirely.

It goes like this. Blood Elves, High Elves and Void Elves all have rich lore, but only if we count the totality of that lore, when they were all one group. Blood Elves did not abandon this background when they became Blood Elves. High Elves only have a rich lore if you count what is the common heritage with the Blood Elves, i.e. 99.9% and to which Blood Elves have a superior claim because they are playable, they are the vast majority and they are in possesion of the Kingdom of Quel’thalas.

After all, the actor in Warcraft 2 was the Kingdom of Quel’thalas, then a member of the Alliance, now a member of the Horde. There is continuity there.

By themselves, the High Elves ‘rich lore’ goes back to the moment of exile and is thus two decades of skulking around human settlements that got blown up.

The Void Elf lore is richer because it is bespoke to them and is a genuinely new path forwards.

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What I mean by boring is that they are a concept because different people have different versions of how they want them.
Their are some High Elf fanatics who are so adamant in their belief that Blood Elves should be Alliance, that they want exactly that…which doesn’t make you a High Elf fan. If fact, your NOT a High Elf fan in anyway, shape or form. Your a Blood Elf fan who wants them on the Alliance.
So whether we want to accept fact or not…what we want comes with various concepts and it depends on HOW they are implemented.

Amani, Naga, San’layn - these are also concepts that people have created to make them playable and generally; when you look at the Naz’dorei concept of shifting between two forms and having a contrast of Nightborne-on land models and it all the features etc…it does offer more than what High Elves do.
Now we need to forget Amani. They don’t exist, per say. They are a customisation feature and they simply aren’t going to be playable…so can we all please forget that argument. I’m sick of seeing these nonsense ideas from both High Elf and Troll fanatics who still pedal the lie that Amani are going to be playable, when they are going to be playable, through a customisation feature for regular Darkspears. We have to move on from Amani and do so, now.

So, the only other options that are left would be San’layn or Naz’dorei as per this concept.
https://www.mmo-champion.com/threads/2471956-Nazdorei-(Playable-Naga-Concept)

Now, High Elf fans can’t really argue against San’layn because both High Elf and San’layn are arguable their own race and their own customisation as well.

Naz’dorei are something different and would work better with the Horde > Alliance. I do love the Naz’dorei concept because it makes more use out of the Nightborne model, which I think should remain Horde exclusive.

EDIT:
Another argument is that the “High Elves” are represented in different ways across the game.

We’ve got the High Elf features for Blood Elves and Void Elves.
Many Silver Covenant Mage NPCS are using Void Elf hairstyles now.

We’ve got the Blood Elf lifestyle of Silvermoon…it’s just on the Horde.

We’ve also got Night Elf Mages whereby, in Legion, we were shown a very “Quel’dorei” lifestyle in Azsuna and Nar’thalas. Highborne, yes - but this is very similar to where the High Elves got their ideas for Quel’Thalas.

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I don’t regards those folks as fanatics because of that; there is no other way of implementing Alliance High Elves, a Blood Elf is a High Elf and any High Elf sufficiently differentiated from a Blood Elf to no longer be a Blood Elf duplicate would not be a High Elf. For reference, see what happened with Void Elves. Any Alliance High Elf proposal is basically adding Blood Elves to the Alliance.

As for the Amani, I agree they need to be forgotten about, the existence of Amani customisatons on Darkspear is a pretty clear statement of intent. But then again, by the same token, the addition of High Elf like customisations to Void Elves was the exact same thing, was it not? If we need to forget about the Amani because Blizzard wouldn’t have added those customisations to Trolls if a bespoke Amani race was incoming, then the same principle logically applies to Void Elves with their High Elf type customisations.

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I certainly do.

Your demanding for a race to be faction changed, without the consent of the Blood Elf / Horde playerbase. It’s absolutely fanatical to me and should be (and thankfully has been) disregarded. Some of those fanatics have long since left this debate now

Well that’s where the counter arguments come in, with vibe and feels and looks etc.

So, you’ve got Blood Elves, Void Elves and Night Elf Mages to a small fault, that also encapsulate that “High Elf vibe” feel

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