Actually, he was the one voicing concerns when Alleria wanted to go near the well. It was a bit extreme to exile the researchers, but looking at the well’s reaction to Alleria and the Void, it was also not an absurd decision.
I figure that we will find out that Alleria was only rejected by it, because she had absorbed a Dark Naaru - which is something the other VEs didn’t do.
It’s compulsive at this point, isn’t it? You literally can’t make an argument without a childish, stupid blanket-statement that undermindes your credibility.
That would be hilarious. Turn everyone back into simple High Elves.
That is the difference of blood elves here actually. The Sin’dorei don’t lick any boots. the other races of the Horde see them as equal and neither the warchief nor the council ever meddled with the internal politics of Quel’thalas so far. High elves however are 100% dependant of Stormwind.
So… an Alliance affiliated faction leader adressed the High King of the Alliance with “My king”? Shocker. That would never happen to Lor’themar. Oh, wait.
Since Erevien has been disproven in every point and already started to resort to his usual goalpost-RNG…
What do you guys think about the whole “Unification of Elven tribes” idea in Midnight?
I mean, they made Thalyssra’s and Lor’themar’s marriage a big thing - can’t get more “unified” than that… you think we will see ALL elven tribes interact with eath other?
Speaking of… are there any moments where we see the Quel’dorei in Eversong deal with the… “unique” nature of the Ren’dorei?
Nothing is beyond blizzard these days. Did you watch the bfa cinematic trailer? They made Sylvanas look cool and heroic just to throw in a total turnaround and she became the ultimate villain batted evil ever. Blizzard does not respect the red faction period. Making quel’thalas alliance again is just the next step.
How convenient that you forgot that the same researchers almost became slaves to the Void Lords when they opened the puzzle box. If not for plot convenience of all ages Umbric and his apprentices would become what they tried to fight. And it’s very unlikely Void elves would manage anything to prevent Xal from achieving her goal even if they were present. For all her own mary suism and knowledge of Void Alleria did jack to actually prevent Knaifu from furthering her plans.
Let’s not forget that Umbric’s point of reference was the research of the greatest traitor of Elven kind - Dar’Khan Drathir. Considering where the ambition lead that one is it any surprise Rommath did not appreciate Umbric using his research?
Then we also have the incident that happened when Alleria approached the Sunwell and Void Lords used her as a beacon and gateway to try and corrupt it. Even if her circumstances were unique (though unlike Void Elves she’s not changed by the void) it does not inspire any confidence in trusting Void Elves.
That might be because You joined a discussion that’s been going on for years across multiple threads. It’s quite unreasonable to expect people to repeat themselves for every person that comes late to the party.
But to satisfy Your curiosity, here’s one of the reasons:
By adding a race called High Elves to the game Blizzard would not only please players like You, but also upset many Blood Elf players.
Blood Elves are a direct continuation of high elven society: they are the same people (literally - any adult Blood Elf that was introduced in TBC had to have been alive before the third war), they inhabit the same land, speak the same language, uphold same beliefs and customs (worship of sun, connection to Sunwell), have the same culture (reliance on magic, same architecture, etc).
By introducing a race called High Elves Blizzard would essentially invalidate that continuation and appoint this new race (used here as gameplay term) as “rightful heirs” to over 6000 years of Thalassian history and culture.
Adding “real, true High Elves” to the game doesn’t only give some people what they want - it actively takes away from others, robbing them of their heritage and making them second class Thalassians.
This has already been said multiple times, even in this thread:
I completely respect your concerns, but I do find it a bit ironic that you’re suggesting the original “owners” of the High Elf race — the Alliance — should accept a compromise, just so you don’t feel disadvantaged playing a Blood Elf.
Especially considering that Blood Elves were added to the Horde largely as a 2000s-era design choice for aesthetics and faction balance, not because of lore reasons.
“But Garithos…” doesn’t count. He was one man among hundreds of thousands, a literal blip in history from the point of view of High Elves. The most sensible writing during the TBC-era would have been for existing High Elves on the Alliance to reach out as ambassadors on behalf of the remaining human kingdoms, inviting Quel’Thalas to join a temporary alliance for security.
There are lots of things separating Void Elves and Blood Elves, and there’d be lots of things separating High Elves from the two existing races as well. If both factions gain this ability to choose for their characters, then nobody loses.
Oh man, now You’ve stirred the hornets nest! I hope You’re ready for it
I don’t want the fans of Alliance affiliated High Elves to accept any kind of compromise. I want to them to accept the lore of the game and a fact stated therein, that the remnants of the Kingdom of Quel’Thalas joined the Horde. The very same people (literally) that called themselves High Elves before the third war are now in the Horde, calling themselves Blood Elves. That’s what I want people to accept.
And it doesn’t matter if You personally believe that stated lore reasons make sense or not. The story was told the way it was - High Elves joined the Horde.
And a lot of things have happened for the two to diverge since then.
If this wasn’t the case Blizzard themselves wouldn’t continue to make Alliance High Elves and Horde Blood Elves have feuds, and actively highlight their differences to the players in game.
You’re at odds with the game and story itself, and you keep using semantics to try and back up your failed argument.
That’s the problem, what you’re saying there is not a “fact”. It would be - and I would completely agree with you - IF Blizzard
a) hadn’t added the Ren’dorei (who are just as much part of the Thalassian heritage, even as a minority)
b) woudn’t keep showing and mentioning Alliance Quel’dorei in the story.
As I said, they went so far that they even had Elisande address them in her speech in Suramar in Legion as a separate tribe. You can’t really blame the players when Blizzard intentionally keeps that (literal) Silver strife at the horizon by keeping this minority of Thalassians around.
Therefore your argument
should be
It’s not a “failed argument”, Irisi does have some very valid points imho - and I say that as someone who started to hype the Quel’dorei back then in WC2. The irony in all of this is: By creating the Ren’dorei and keeping the Quel’dorei around in the story, Blizzard is keeping this “feud” alive. This debate is not a “One side is completely wrong”-scenario, there are good arguments for playable Alliance HE, just as there a very good arguments against them.
So I guess we have to wait and see how Midnight will resolve / further this story.
There are orcs on the Horde that burned Quel’talas on the second war, the undead razed Silvermoon, but man that is always overshadowed by that guy Garithos. Truly unforgivable what he did. Said mean words. Unforgivable.
It’s also wild to suggest that High Elves as one united faction has moved on from the Alliance in the lore, when its a race that - much like Humans, Orcs, Tauren, Trolls, Kaldorei, Dwarves, and Gnomes - has splintered off several times into sub-factions.
The Arathi Empire, Outland, The Hinterlands, Dalaran and the Silver Covenant, Theramore, Void Elves, and so on.
The invading force of alien brutes, filled with literal demons and undead, enslaving the revered dragons of your world, razing your cities and killing your neighbours. They sound like a great group or people to ally with.
Not those Humans over in the south, and the Dwarves, with whom we’ve intermingled for thousands of years.
