Ah, I apologise. Remember that during the Battle for Azeroth though Dalaran was strictly neutral (Khadgar did not want to take sides) and the Silver Covenant couldn’t intervene more overtly, at least until the Horde rebellion broke out and it became obvious Sylvanas was a threat to everyone. That and I think Blizzard wished to de-emphasise them.
I feel you are reasonable. I obviously disagree on the need for Alliance High Elves, for me a Blood Elf is a High Elf and that option is in game, but I think we can at least have a discussion about it.
Admittedly they could have, but again I think that the reason they created Void Elves, and it was so blatant, was that they felt that Alliance High Elves could only be a duplicate of Horde Blood Elves so their hand was forced. I respect you feel differently on that of course. I do agree that at the time Void Elves were completely out of left field.
Admittedly this is where I think they are going with the storyline. They’ll have the High Elves go home, they might even have a moment where they declare they will always serve the Alliance if required even as they live in a Horde kingdom…and then we will never see them again. Because this expansion is also an opportunity to retire them from the story, if they want to.
we are in 2025 and Arcane torrent work differently since 3.0.2
if you want to be listen, stay serious and stop talking with past things
arcane torrent doesnt absorb lives form. You can cast Arcane torrent in the desert where there is nothing living around 300km
in Midnight you have Silverglade Refuge what is near silvermoon what is near the sunwell and you ll probably see HE in silvermoon who are closed to the sunwell, like their BE brethen.
True, but then we did have Sunreavers involved with the BFA war as well and this was after Aethas was re-admitted back into the City
I don’t see anything wrong with Vereesa and her High Elf Spell-Rangers taking the lead on the San’layn part of the Alliance war campaign because it also involved Wildhammer Dwarves and we also know that the High Elves and Wildhammer do hold a strong union of friendship
I think that’s the worst result for everybody.
Blood Elves lose their vibe within the city.
High Elves get forgotten about and made to be absorbed into the Blood Elf City, which they shouldn’t.
They always were because of the Silver Covenant creation that took the “High Elf military” vibe to new levels that the Quel’Lithien High Elves did not.
This is why I am so adamantly against High Elves making any return to Silvermoon because I’ve seen what happens when they do that. It’s not good for anybody and the High Elves always lose out.
Nobody can tell me that the High Elf Pilgrims during the 2010 Quel’Delar quest chain became meaningful after they returned to Quel’Danas.
Yet they were there during Suramar’s Siege, Throne of thunder’s siege and were there for both Origrimmar Sieges.
I will always feel that the Night Elves replaced them. I can’t prove it, but just the way it was told - I will never not feel like the High Elves were replaced by Night Elves.
I will always feel that the Night Elves replaced them. I can’t prove it, but just the way it was told - I will never not feel like the High Elves were replaced by Night Elves.
Blizzard doesn’t know how to write compelling stories without it ending in handholding or somebody’s identity being shafted.
Every nation has a council, and the notion of intrigue has gone out of the window, and there’ll be more and more new races to come and show the original Azerothians how to actually do things.
A fair point. Lore wise it could be that the Sunreavers were still integrated with Horde forces. Gameplay wise it was likely because they wanted to de-emphasise the Alliance High Elves in favour of the Void Elves. Narratively this was also the time Afriasiabi and his crew were driving the plot, Mr. ‘Let’s burn the tree because it’s cool, we can figure out an ending later’.
I can understand your concerns but I don’t think it would overly change the vibe, at least from my personal perspective. I think the main benefit though would be resolving the story of the Alliance High Elves once and for all. Perhaps certainty one way or another is preferable to always asking and never getting which has been the case for a very long time now?
HE will do their come back in Silvermoon, quietly and step by step, MQest after MQest (or side ones) until they gonna be lorewise merged in the sin’dorei nation with different political view.
But no playable HE of course.
Quote this as you should have quote, few weeks before midnight trailer, my sentence sayin “Remember that there is a possibility that there is gonna be no playable HE in midnight”
Of course it would change it. That’s the whole point.
It’s a disservice not only to Quel’dorei but also the Sin’dorei’s story.
The only good thing that can come out of it is that we’ll end up with some possible neutral race customization where we can choose our faction as a base-setting, like the Pandaren, yet with unique customization - that allows us to decide between Quel, Ren (Alliance) and Sin’dorei (Horde) as players. But that’s also unlikely.
It’s in the lazy writing where we leave nothing to the imagination, but finalize stories with councils, handholding and kum bah yah’s.
I agree, but with Silvermoon going Horde, we High Elf fans were always going to get pills that were a little hard to swallow. We were.
When I was young and youthful and living in Auckland, I thought the 2010 High Elves at the Sunwell would mean something…but they didn’t and sooner or later, we have to be brutally honest with ourselves and say “High Elves returning to Silvermoon is the worst thing that can happen..”
I want High Elves to mean something and the only way, where it’s written effectively, is when they are NOT involved with Quel’Thalas affairs. Even during 4.1 with the Amani storyline…it felt more like Blood Elves and Trolls were commanding that and High Elves were there as Alliance representation.
Possibly, but they found a way to involve the High Elves during the Divine Bell theft and wrote it in, and since they would be dealing with a threat that they knew about (San’layn), I just think their perspective on that part of the Campaign would have been better than that of Shandris’ and her Night Elves.
But playable High Elves on the Alliance doesn’t match Silvermoon now. It never will for various reasons.
I used the 2010 High Elf pilgrims as an example of what happens when write the High Elves into Silvermoon/Blood Elf affairs internally. That is what I want to avoid and Silverglade Refuge and the comments that those High Elves make to Blood Elf characters are a start in the right direction.
I hope, with those High Elves, Blizzard aren’t ready to absorb High Elves into a Blood Elf/Horde society
I think the way they’re using them now is, like I keep saying, a disservice - and the notion of bygones being bygones, while also trying to keep up a story of reasonable hatred and suspicion (In Vereesa’s & the Silver Covenant for example)
Blizzard try to bring a conclusion to a story for gameplay purposes, while also shafting the identities of every race involved in the process.
There’s always a world-ending scenario to destroy every piece of interesting lore. And with it comes forced homogenization, and new races to become the new heralds and know-it-all’s of everything.
The best we do have right now are those Silver Covenant NPCs, who are extremely hateful towards the Orcs, Trolls, Forsaken and the Blood Elves.
Some talk about “still sensing the fel on you” and how awful it is that Orcs, Trolls and Forsaken live in their houses. Yes, it’s absolute racism and I’m here for it.
This is why, I’m hoping that not all hope is lost and that we can still have those Alliance Quel’dorei who are still completely against the ideals of the Blood Elves and the Horde.
I highly doubt any legitimate human would have issue with fantasy racism (Because honestly we really need some of it after the painful cushyness that has been the last few expansions).
It’s more like some Bluesky dweller will complain about it or someone at Blizzard will be accused of saying something mean to someone, and then they’ll go scorched earth on anything with even slight edge.
Outside of all that, I am looking at this thread and I still think people wanting High Elves (Note: Blood Elves just on Alliance side) are being ridiculous. You got Void Elves who have all the bells and whistles Blood Elves have, what else do you animals want…?
I like to say that the way they’ve built up the High Elves is perfect for the Blood Elves.
They both make eachother more interesting.
As for customization:
My hopes lie in the future where they allow us to have more sophisticated customization. Allowing every elf to be who they are, without having to pretend through another - and this goes for Darkspear Trolls & more bulky variants as well. Same category.
There’s nuance there - first of all we don’t want to erupt into void during combat.
It’s not a big ask considering how little attention Alliance High Elf players have gotten…
Quel’dorei, Ren’dorei and Sin’dorei should all have specific customization.
Oh you’d be shocked at how much dialogue or actions are changed because some people get offended by it.
Tyrande in Val’Sharah was changed because Horde players got miffed about her.
Jaina killing Sunreavers was changed because Alliance players got miffed about it not aligned with Alliance white-knight-ness.
How it is ridiculous? The ridiculous ones have all gone, minus the odd 1 or 2.
The moderate High Elf supporters don’t want High Elves at the expense of Blood Elves aka - we want them totally void of anything to do with Blood Elves, Silvermoon and/or Quel’Thalas. I’d take all 3, but Silverglade Refuge has put the High Elves in a position where they are seemingly void of Blood Elves and Silvermoon, but not Quel’Thalas.