Still sucks when the game looks at you like
“That shiny city you love for 20 years? Boom gone sucks to suck I guess”
I would actually like to know how many players the burning tree has cost us.
And let’s be real for a second.
Lore wise the alliance let’s us life cause they feel like it.
What exactly stop’s the vindicar from parking over tb tomorrow morning and just eradicate the city?
What stops jaina from conjouring those flying boats and freeze all of silbermoon?
What stops the worgen from infecting our people with the curse when the nightelves are the only ones to stop them being feral beasts.
The horde exists for fun.
The second another real war breaks loose the alliance should glas us day one.
But that won’t happen cause they ignore alle that lore so why adhere to the faction conflict lore?
They already solved this with Soridormi, and as Nightelves got Belameth, as Worgen Gilneas, and as soon Belves get Silvermoon, we know that every loss is just a future gain. People are mature enough I think to see that, and sometimes losing something in a story gives fertile soil for something new to grow, but only if the new stuff is actually cool.
they are coming in midnight please let this thread rest
I don’t consider the five night elve huts and the empty ghost town cities tho.
Would be cool if blizz actually gave them real cities but on the other hand why?
Why make gilneas a real city when there is no reason to be in gilneas for example.
Same reason the forsaken are still hobos.
Maybe midnight brings us some content for those two.
And when it comes to silvermoon I’m quite honest I would rather see us loosing the city completely then it getting completely neutral.
I still think the compromise with rebuilding the destroyed part as a neutral hub would be good.
But high elve fan will only stop on the day they got everything even remotely thalasian for the alliance we have ^^
Proof?
No?
Cool Gona keep discussing with the high elve fanatics how it’s a bad idea.
Thanks :*
I think in current story the Alliance is currently cleansing and Rebuilding Stratholme from the Scourge, so it’d be cool, if Stratholme became the alliance city and Silvermoon the Horde city, but Blizzard is probably already done with the expansion, so no reason to give suggestions like that
True that would be dope.
Would also maybe be a good way to introduce something for the forsaken.
Strat was one of kelthusats places after all and he was THE necromancer.
If they clean the place Lillian and her rogues could sweep some scrolls and books
Renowns are a new feature added to SL.
Renowns are neutral (SL, DF, TWW), these are “reputations” available for both the Horde and the Alliance, so for the Midnight expansion they will likely also be neutral.
There will likely be a Silvermoon renown (neutral) for the elven reunification.
Yeah, there haven’t been any conflicts between the Horde and the Alliance since the end of the 4th War.
I 100% support the idea of having High Elves into the Alliance. Void elves are just a weird compromise.
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A product of writing and not that the concept of faction conflict itself sucks
I can point at shadowlands and say the same thing about ‘the greater threat we must all unify against’ and if you ask me SL was worse then any faction conflict content we have had, including BFA’s where they completely dropped the ball in its story telling.
If we stopped exploring concepts because they botched the story 1x time during that exploration then we should also stop doing the greater threat stories after SL (and honestly tho this is less agreed on but if you ask me DF as well) and should convert the game to content only
So I say, its not faction conflict that sucked, its the writing that sucked and SL sucking harder then any expansion before without any faction conflict being a part of it is hard proof to me.
No I don’t care for the writing for me the concept sucks.
The conflict either doesn’t do anything or one side looses something for the plot wich sucks.
How do you want to fix that with better writing?
Sure you can always make sure every side looses something but that doesn’t make it better it just hits both sides for the plot.
Not that the writing isn’t a complete mess.
But how would you change that either?
Of you look at the lore the alliance is a monster and the horde basically only exists cause they allow us to.
The only way to change that is to either pull some magical mcguffin out of thin air to make the horde equally powerful or retcon everything.
It’s not that I’m against the conflict I actually like it but imo I think Blizz is not capable of using it the right way.
Either cut us loose from the factions so a plot loose isn’t a loose for one side of the community cause we work for both sides or make it so we players have the fate of the conflict in our hands.
Make a conflict in a zone and the players have to do quest kill npcs do PvP and gather resources over the course of the patch.
The side that does more wins the conflict on that zone
Fair, but then I just point back to me considering SL an even bigger botch job then all war stories told combined so far (only SL has tried to retcon lore as far back as warcraft 2 and that’s why I despise it so much because everything it tried to retcon was made worse and less interesting by it) and then repeating what I earlier said, just scrap all story content because we’ve seen signs that they’re unable to write either ‘greater threat’ and ‘faction narrative’ stories, so why only scrap one?
I do feel like we disagree on so many points here that I think there’s no real value in either of us just repeating our points at eachother. I’m not convinced by the reasoning of ‘I think blizzard can’t do that story justice’ cause I’m already at the point that blizzard could hardly do any story justice which I know is not true cause there are some good sidequests here and there. I hope a part of this teethless factions and goofy scarlets suddenly becomig wow’s team rocket just for a way to get conflict in faction content without it being between the factions is just TWW having been mostly set in stone and hard to change by the time Metzen rejoined.
Nice, really finally once and for all we will get playable the high elves, Silver Covenant and Silvermoon updated.
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Apparently Blizzard is listening to its WoW community, Midnight is clearly the perfect expansion to add high elves and forest trolls.
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I wonder what would happen if Blizzard announces San’layn and Naga for the Horde, whilst High Elves are for the Alliance, but they have to use their classic/vanilla WoW Model. The Thalassian model is primarily for the Horde and velfs
Blizzard could change the playable high elf model like they did for the Nightborne and KT humans for example.
Possibly - the thing is, what you have to accept - you won’t get a total Blood Elf clone. That won’t happen. Blizzard have made this very clear that we’re in the “homeland of the Blood Elves.”
High Elves either need a model change or they need every feature changing with new hairstyles, new hair colours and nothing can be shared between them and the Blood Elves.
The Blood Elves are still going to exist because they are…to think otherwise is being obtuse and stupid.
Also - High Elves must be void of all things Blood Elf. The only way to accomplish this is to expand their homeland in The Last Titan and with the update to Northrend, you update Crystalsong Forest for the Alliance only and that becomes the Alliance Quel’dorei Capital…where High Elves and Highborne of the Alliance, live in peace.
A new home, just like what Void Elves got, is the only way for this race to have any sort of future and identity because QT is the homeland of the Blood Elves, as stated by Blizzard themselves. If we want High Elves to have a purpose, have an identity - then Crystalsong Forest and Shandaral in Northrend is the ONLY way to make that happen.
Otherwise, they are void of anything. Blood Elves and Void Elves are the only two who are worthy of having any identity because they have Quel’Thalas and Telogrus.
High elves are elves from Quel’Thalas, they could also be a new neutral allied race.
No they can’t - they have to be Alliance.
Quel’Thalas is now the homeland of the Blood Elves. Blizzard stated this twice to reinforce the message.
You can’t have playable High Elves sharing a the Blood Elf homeland. They won’t be playable.
The only way they can be playable and for it to mean anything is to look at the Last Titan in Northrend. Otherwise, you won’t get High Elves as a playable race.
And don’t start any nonsense with me about “Oh delete Blood Elves” or “Just remove Blood Elves as a playable race.” I don’t deal with stupid, obtuse people who state such idiocy.
