Quel’dorei High Elves as an Alliance allied race (Part 1)

Yeah if you read what I typed that is the point I was actually making, One Ex-Employee said it, Blizzard never did say it.

I think that Genie is out of the Bottle now though. I agree, BfA would have been a good time to release High Elves as a playable race, only if they had not introduced, now that they have, it is too late. As much as it shocked many, some people actually really like their Void Elves and still do. There’s your problem. We’re already seeing Void Elf players complaining (rightly so!) that the new customisations they’re getting are almost all about looking like a High Elf. I can understand why that would annoy people. If You’re playing a race, you want your race to get some love, not a non playable variant. In honesty, any future customisations should be for -Void- Elves themselves, not the High Elf Variant.

Now, your idea of incorporating the two into a choice, in essence sounds like a good compromise, however I can see a few obstacles to it.

Renaming them from Void Elves is not going to make the Void Elf fans happy, they already lost out on customisations, now they lose the name as well?. You can’t very well just call them “Elves” as that implies that they are the dominant strain of the Species, and the Blood Elves are not, whereas it is the other way around, Blood Elves are the dominant strain (90% of the species) and High and Void Elves combined make up 10% of the species.

To try and explain that better, if you put an epithet before something, it is traditionally a sign that the thing with the epithet is ‘different’ from the other, historically in a negative way, for an example, look at the good old USA. You have African-Americans, Latino-Americans, Polish- Americans Asian-Americans, Hispanic-Americans, Italian-Americans and even more tellingly, Native-Americans (Yeah, the people who actually belong there) But what do you call a good old flag waving White person?

Why they’re just an ‘American’ It’s basically racism, as all those types of American I listed, have been historically discriminated against by ‘Americans’ and given a ‘lesser’ epithet.

So I think just calling them ‘Elves’ is out, because it implies they are the majority of Elves, when they are in fact the vast minority.

‘Alliance Elves’ would work though, as the implication is that their ‘special thing’ is that they are in the Alliance, so they have their epithet just as the Blood elves.

Anyway, thats enough about names (I just love nattering about Elven stuff)

Ehhh, this ain’t so great from a mechanics point of view. No Core or Allied race has that option, so this is suddenly a gamebreaker. To maintain parity, Blizz would have to go through every other Allied race, and every other Core race and give this same dual path option.

Then there is the problem of…

So essentially not just Paths, but Blizzard would have to work on different -racials- for the dual paths the other Races would also have to be given, and iconography (Oddly I can think of some other races this would work for)

You’re effectively looking at two races sharing a model, with different racials. So two Allied Races then?
That would put the Alliance ahead of the Horde by one Allied Race.
So obviously they would have to restore the balance by giving Horde an extra Allied Race. (Let’s say Mok’nathal, or even Purebreed Ogres)

These forums would explode. Alliance fans would be livid that Horde got a new toy, but they got ‘yet another’ Elf type. The Anger would be coming from Alliance side (and I could understand why!). Or lets assume they -didn’t- maintain Balance and the Horde got nothing, the anger would be worse (and still justified) because Blizzard had given Alliance an extra Allied Race. It would also really sour things for the more fair minded Alliance fans who would actually just have to take the insults on the chin that they are the “Welfare Faction” who needed an extra race.

This is why Blizz don’t do that, because to show Bias is to invite that kind of RL hostility between those people who only play one Faction or the other. Blizzard would be in a No-win situation, essentially.

Yeah but why? Paladins were never an Iconic Class for High Elves, that was Rangers and Magi.
Blood Knight Paladins are an Iconic Class for Blood Elves, but Paladin is not an Iconic one for High Elves. I think there are three of them in Lore. One even studied under Uther personally, Mehlar Dawnblade. Thing is though, he’s now a Blood Knight, and Horde.

Plus, you give Elves Paladin, that means you have to give a Horde race a class to balance it out (To be honest, that one’s a No-brainer, just give Zandalari Warlocks, It is ironic that the race who started off using Warlocks before anyone else did, is the one that can’t play them as a class :smiley: )

I’m gonna try and get this across to you again. Stop it with the Silver Covenant, they are -one- part of the Quel’dorei. Instead say that you want -High Elves- as otherwise you are diluting your message.

Yeah, I’ve been wandering around on my Draenei and I have seen some absolutely stunning mogs and things on Void Elves, and you just look at them and think “Yep, thats a High Elf alright”

Ah, is that the thing you sent me yesterday Jakafo? My Discord was not playing nicely last night, but yeah, perfect example, that’s two High Elves chillin’

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I have to say, you’re putting things into perspective in many aspects, so I can’t help but agree and arrive to the same conclusions too.

Just one thing I wanted to address since you mentioned it a few times and it’s generally very commonly spoken; give something to one, makes it that you have to give something else to the other for balance.
I never understood that, it’s not like it breaks the gameplay balance. This is already broken by mechanics and abilities that favor the Horde in that regard, which is likely why we see mostly Horde guilds historically reaching top rankings (correct me if I’m wrong here, just my 2c)

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Yes but this non-playable variant was a high request for 15+ years.

Void elves is something new blizzard pulled out of their behinds to create a horrible compromise For High elf requests. This backfired (I don’t blame them) and they finally gave in by adding natural skin. This is a step in the right direction because then these “High elves” would have a unique racial and aesthetic.

I agree with Voidy stuff needs to be focused in the future, but blizzard should at least (at the very least) one natural hair color. That is all. It could be pale blonde, black, or even silvery white like Vereesa. Just One new natural hair color. That’s all is requested (for me at least)

Seeing as Alleria and Umbric are both the leaders of the Void elves I see no problem with different looking Void elves from severely corrupted to slightly corrupted. Like we have now.

Of course. The name should stay Void elf. It’s should never change regardless of skin color. If Alleria is regarded as a Void elf, then we are Void elves too. That’s what my name tag says.

Wrong.

If 90% died
9% blood elves
1% High elves

Then it would be 90% Blood elves and 10% High elves (this is before the introduction of Void elves) So it would be higher than (10%) if Void elves and High elves were combined

Because Void elves come from 2 groups. 1. The group of Blood elves exiled from Quel’thelas with Umbric. 2. The group of High elves and Blood elves who wanted to join the Ren’dorei.

(Oh and by the way there are more High elf NPC’s then there are Void elf NPC’s)

Very very true. Some High elf fans forget that Rangers and Mage are the main icon of the race. Not Paladins.

No worries :smile: and Thank you! I just wish we had at least (one natural hair color) regardless of what that color is. It would make the role playing a bit more realistic. But I will have patients to wait even if it takes 2-3 expansions to add. I mean I waited 15 years I can wait a bit more for a natural hair color.

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At this point despite my explanation you must be that dense, or simply wasting my time, hence I leave you to this topic that will accomplish nothing by the way.

Big effing lie right there. It never ends with you people.

You do understand that a compromise is getting something in exchange for letting something else go? You people seem to think that a compromise is getting everything you ever asked for.

“You people” is clearly not myself. I’m 100% happy with my natural skinned Void elf. Though I would be happier if we had at least ONE natural hair color, anything. (Black, brown, anything)

Yeah because you clearly know me better than myself?

I know what I want. Sometimes I change my mind if someone managed to convince me.

But right now I’m happy with my Velf.

I don’t care what you want. That’s the point.

Before there were no velfs, you people demanded the belf model. Cause you’ve been asking for a really long time for it.

After velfs were added, you demanded the belf skin. Cause you’ve been asking for that for a really long time.

Now you want the hair, cause - asking - really long time.

Excuse me if I don’t take your word for it.

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Yes because adding purple elves is totally what we asked for.

It’s very very normal to ask for natural skins, when blizzard could’ve done it in the beginning. It was the Perfect time to add it with the return of Alleria

They could’ve easily made high elves unique. Blue tattoos, new hairstyles with braids, blue and pink eyes. Blue lipsticks. But nope, they introduced Void elves out of no where with barley any lore.

However I am happy they introduced natural skins now. That makes me happy.

Now I’m asking for ONE natural hair color, which is totally normal too. Because none of the hair colors we have now look good with the natural skins.

Plus, Void elf NPC’s have black hair color. But it was never added as customization. So it has been a demand even by Void elf fans.

Honestly, I know some people think that VElves were a solution to the High Elf thing. They weren’t. I like them for what they are, but they definitely do not solve that. The Void Elf niche is very different from the High Elf niche.

I know some people also think that the skin tones (while still being unable to have normal hair) are giving even more to people who supposedly have everything they want. This ignores the above point: Void Elves are not High Elves, and do not fill the same niche, so a half-measure isn’t going to cut it.

For me, personally, I can make do. I don’t want to have to, but I can. But it seems so pointless to not just give a small selection of the BElf hairstyles to match the new skins - not all of them, not even most, but maybe a quarter of the styles and colors available.

As for playing a High Elf paladin, that would be awesome. Then again, I’m one of those players who thinks class/race restrictions are silly and unnecessary. Yes, I think it’s weird to have an undead druid, but it’s a big world and weird things happen. Let us be weird.

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That’s what a compromise is. I wanted to join the Scourge when I bought WoW. I can’t. But at least I can play and undead. That’s how it works. Whatever you wanted, you got something, then you got even more. Now you want more. That stops being a compromise and starts being about giving you everything you want regardless of what the rest might think. This is a unique hel-er thing in my experience.

You know what I don’t see you people asking for? Velf stuff. Actual Velf stuff.

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Again, black hair color is considered a Velf stuff. It’s Dark and goes with the Void theme perfectly.

Void elf NPC’s in Stormwind have it and they look fantastic. Very gothy/edgy

It’s been a high demand even by Void elf fans. So I would be happy with that, and not ask for anything more.

Black hair is something that would fit void elfs and is something that most blood elf players would accept to be given to you, but people (not you) asking for hairstyles and colors that belong to blood elves is too much.

If half of what we have is given to you what is given to us? I’m assuming nothing. The new hairstyles we got are horrendous and like ive stated before the hand jewelry does not show from under armor, necklace doesnt fit with full on armor types nor does the cufflings. Yay we got 3 ear lenghts not a massive improvement there. What blood elfs got customization wise is very poor and helfers are demanding more and whats worse what is ours.

Aww thanks

That’s understandable. I’m against Borrowing hair colors and hairstyles. And don’t worry Blizzard won’t do it given the huge protest against more borrowing in the forums, and Ian would not allow it anyway.

You make a fair point, but Blue eyes was only available to Alliance NPC’s (High elves). So technically it was given to the Horde.

That of course does not equal the amount we got (which is a lot)

But I hope the Blood elves get a second visual theme, mainly Dark Ranger skins and red eyes :smile: I would want that for my Belf Hunter

What you want is stealing more stuff from the blood elves. After all, that is was your entire race is made up off. First the model. Then the skin colors. Now the hair colors. Next will be Silvermoon and our leading characters I bet. I say enough is enough. You high elf fanatics will not steal any more of our stuff. We will fight against it.

If it’s void elf stuff you want and I do mean void elf stuff, not belfs stuff under some pretense, then you have my support.

youre in the wrong thread
this is about high elves for the alliance

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Erevien… sigh

I clearly stated below that I am against borrowing hair colors and hairstyle from Blood elves. I wanted at least one natural hair color (black) which by the way, is available by Void elf NPC’s. So it counts as a fair demand.

A place where we can’t fly and dead woods in the south with zombies? No thank you.

I was only joking when I said “muhahaha we will invade Silvermoon” cause I know how triggered you get when I say this haha.

Don’t you get tired of Roleplaying in the forums? It’s seriously not the best place to roleplay.

It is our rightful home place. Once Kael’thas returns to us he will help us fight the traitors who are scyophants of the humans.

If you fight us we will have more of a reason to purge you again from Dalaran. So please do what you did in Theramore.

I’m waiting :popcorn: