Quel’dorei High Elves as an Alliance allied race (Part 1)

In fariness I was being sarcastic. It’s hard to be a Traitor when you are kicked out, But yeah, a Nightborne in the Alliance would effectively be a traitor I guess, assuming Thalyssra wields the sort of leadership power she seems to.

Playing one using a Void Elf model is just sketchy…I mean its not exactly lore friendly anyway, but at least those people should use a Night Elf model, so actually -look- like a Nightborne.

I think sadly, we all know why they don’t…

You can just say High Elves you know?

High Elves includes the Silver Covenant, and we don’t need examples, we all know what a High Elf is, and we know that the Silver Covenant is a group within the High Elves, so you don’t need to keep reciting their name like a mantra.

Just High Elves will do…

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Yeah when the news came out everyone thought that Alliance was going to get proper High elf customization, and almost every streamer commented on the lack of hair colors.

I don’t blame your friend. I almost quit for the same reason, but now I am back and tried to work with what I have.

For me: a proper transmog really brings out the character, and this is how I started to love my High elf again.

Interesting video, thanks for sharing it. I didn’t learn all that much that I didn’t already know, but it made me consider a few things.

Garithos is a pretty poor character if you look at the Alliance through a modern lens. The Alliance come across as the good guys; tolerant, just and noble. However, in Warcraft 3 it felt like the setting was slightly different. If the Alliance as a whole had been less good, then a character like Garithos wouldn’t come across as a poor character. He would be an example of a bad product of the Alliance; xenophobic and righteous. In contrast, the Horde would possess bright virtues: open-mindedness and tolerance.

I suspect the modern Alliance is not really the same as the Alliance back in Warcraft 3. The modern Alliance is basically ruled completely by Stormwind and every body within the Alliance does as Stormwind wills. I feel like this was different in the Warcraft RTS games. It feels like the political bodies of the Alliance were first and foremost concerned about their own interests. Maybe it was the Kingdom of Lordearon that was particularly intolerant. Maybe other Kingdoms were more tolerant. Such nuance is lost in World of Warcraft.

This is kind of why I don’t like the Void Elves. It doesn’t make a lot of sense for the Horde to be the ones to expel people for their beliefs. That’s the stuff that the Alliance ought to do. The Void is the opposite of the Light, and the original Alliance races adheres to the Light religiously. The Horde doesn’t.

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never understud how Void elfs can be a priest … Exampel Holy priest it is almoust same as allowing Void Elfs beeing Paladins make no sence at all

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It was largely correct, but made a few errors, Kael’thas was not in charge of Quel’thalas when the Scourge invaded, that was his father, Anasterian, whose death, along with 90% of the people, was what -prompted- Kael’thas to rename his people Blood Elves.

Quel’thalas was not part of the Alliance in WC3. Kael’thas led some volunteers (Largely those blood elves who lived in Dalaran) to aid humans, and fell under the command of Alf Garnett…Ahem, sorry, Othmar Garithos… Quel’thalas itself was neutral during WC3, much like Strom and Gilneas.

(Interestingly the video does show the dialogue which means the humans were quite alongside Garithos’ orders. Guess this means that next time someone blames ‘The Horde’ for Sylvanas, we can blame ‘the Humans for being racists’ :stuck_out_tongue: )

Oh undoubtedly, he was the Aedelas Blackmoore for the next generation, he was the exception to the rule, that humans are tolerant. He was however the exception who had the biggest army in the area. Stormwind was neither the dominant power in the Alliance of Lordaeron, nor geographically positioned to do anything about it.

Definitely not. They are as different as the Dark Horde who came through the Dark Portal are from the Horde Council, for the same reasons, attitudes and leaders changed. For a start, in the WC games it was not the current Alliance, it was the Alliance of Lordaeron, whereas now in game it is the Grand Alliance. Two very different body politics with different aims Both Horde and Alliance have changed massively in terms of how they operate.

I think that was a Garithos thing. Remember, at the end of WC2 King Terenas II was the one who wanted to put the Orcs into Camps, whereas Arathor, Gilneas and Quel’thalas were just like “No, we’re not paying for that, just kill them all!”
Terenas at least seems to have been tolerant.

Think of it as an Elven thing. Because it is. It was nothing to do with the Horde Exiling them, the Horde probably didn’t care. The Sin’dorei however did care, and that is how Elves deal with their problems, Exile rather than Execution.

Night Elves did not like the Highborne practicing Arcane, but rather than Executing them, they Exiled them under Dath’remar Sunstrider.

They then became the Quel’dorei.

Scourge invaded and almost everyone died, the race renamed itself as Sin’dorei.

The technique of draining mana from living creatures is taught, some Sin’dorei really don’t like that, and rather than Executing them, Lor’themar Exiles them. They then call themselves Quel’dorei again, and seek refuge with the Alliance.

Later still, a bunch of people study works of the greatest Traitor to Elvenkind , and instead of Executing them, Lor’themar Exiles them, they then name themselves Ren’dorei.

Exile seems to be the Elven ‘Go to’ response, rather than Execution (Possibly why Garithos’s planned actions caused such horror and revulsion?)

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There is only one question this thread raises for me…

Why do people get so triggered on both sides that they resort to insults based on a fictional games avatar choices?

Shadow priests exist

In fact the most common classes picked by Void elves are:

Shadowpriest
Marksmanship Hunter
Arcane/fire mage
And warlocks

It’s the same as the forsaken. Canonically all forsaken priests are shadow priests, but for gameplay they can use any spec

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Alonsus Faol say hi

oh nvm they already said it

Not All elves. There are some elves who are crazy and went on a Genocide quest

Dark’’khan the betrayer
The elf who helped bombed theramore
Sylvanas windrunner
Azshara
The list goes on

Lor’themar’s exile really doesn’t make much sense at all, no. Even if the Void Elves might put the Sunwell in jeopardy, that doesn’t warrant expelling them from all of Silvermoon (not on the same island), all of Quel’Thalas, or all of the Horde - why can’t they hang somewhere like Orgrimmar, Thunder Bluff, or Dazar’alor? It seems like the Horde races would have far fewer issues with Void Elves than Humans and Draenei might; Anduin is clearly very uncomfortable with them. The only reason for the Void Elves to jump ship is essentially “we like Alleria,” and in this sense, you might have just had a few Blood Elves coming over to the Alliance without void corruption simply because they were Alleria fans.

I know some people are interested in Void Elf lore etc. But I genuinely don’t understand the rationale behind making a quest that corrupts about, what, 40-50 students who are basically playing hot potato between factions at this point, instead of utilizing the already existing Thalassians who’d been involved in the Alliance. Just do some Vereesa work like we did for Moira and the Dark Iron Dwarves etc. For the Void Elves there was so little lore that we had to create them during their recruitment quest.

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i mean, im saying this because people get confused what kind of elves we ask.

It’s just highelves such as silver covenant highelves, not blood, void, sanlayn, but high elves such as Sc elves. :))

well since now void elves are reality, let them be. just give us Sc elves playable- a.k.a HIGHELVES.!

Nah, I’m pretty sure everyone knows the type of Elves you’re asking for. Blood Elves.

I could live with the Dark Elves from Day of the Dragon tho’… :grin:

no, blood elves arent silver covenant highelves what we are asking. so

Silver Covenant isn’t a race…

highelves such as silver covenant faction highevles

Those High Elves are already in the game, they’re called Blood Elves and they support The Horde.

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You do know Void elves/ Blood elves/ and High elves are all under the same race? which is thalassian.

the ONLY difference between them is:

  • Politics
  • Factions
  • Source of power/ racial
  • and a few cultural differences

They all speak Thalassian, they all have the same dance, and rangers/mages are big part of both elves.

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