what ideas? It more then obvious. Silver covenant highelven faction , as playable alliance race as they are presented ingame.
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Not if those blood elves in Silvermoon decided that their mourning was over and they are calling themselves High elves once more… and further to that, feel that allying with the alliance, as Alleria has been trying to persuade them is right for them, because they really are not feeling the horde, feel like they are like minded or similar enough and that they value the same things.
Quel’thalas does not condone blood lust, blood thirst, genociding innocent races, pillaging and destruction - they did not condone Garrosh’s war, Theramore’s destruction, Teldrassil’s destruction - have the orcs changed from the invasion monsters they were in Wc1 and 2? Perhaps, but they don’t represent what they stand for.
Story has already practically written itself, these blood elves have never left their high elven culture , ideals or mindset - and blizzard did so, they wrote them back into high elves but kept them with the blood elf name tag because they wanted an alliance high elf race on the horde to lure alliance players. The irony is that this very decision facilitates the return of the culture wholly to the alliance.
It will do the horde well too, the blood elves that remain can be developed into something else, and the horde loses the alliance elements that were present on it via the blood elves sitting their in that very high elven capacity. The alliance gets boosted heavily by the return of both the High elven culture and civilization properly and the Night elven empire/civilization too when Suramar and it’s populace also join (themselves being healed into night elves by the arcan’dor. The horde gets its identity back and in time can get something exciting and new for the playable blood elves and Nightborne that has nothing to do with the alliance, not in culture, nor theme, nor aesthetics - the only thing they will keep with their models, but those models will have new customisation options that allow them to look different, optional customisations, but they’d be attractive enough or rather cool enough to entice a lot of blood elf players to take on the new look - but they can keep the original if they want.
At that point, that original will feel very alliancey, so they’d likely not want it.
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If that was the case, then why are you so worried and concerned you can’t stop posting about it?
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What mourning?
They took on the name as a token of respect to the High Elves who died when the scourge invaded.
I already posted these, last time you asked exactly the same question, I have posted them about seven times so far in this thread, I mean, I can do so again if ultimately needed for them to sink in, but can I get a guarantee that this time you will remember them?
I rather like some of them to be honest.
Excuse me, Sir or Madame, but I think you will find I was invested in this thread from the very start, when it was about the idea of Quel’dorei as an Alliance Allied Race, and not some ridiculous “What we must take from Horde” thread.
I suggest, you actually read the thread and get involved in it, rather than jumping in at the last few moments with your own agenda that most of the people here just don’t agree with…on -either- side of the debate.
What scares you, worries you and concerns you, about entering this debate?
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out of mourning. Either way, they decide it’s over, they are high elves again… whether it’s because they feel their mourning is ended, either way they don’t want the horde, and it doesn’t’ make sense that they would leave the horde as blood elves, so it’s better to write them back in as high elves.
It really isn’t hard to fathom.
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What mourning?
And why wouldn’t they want to be Horde? The Horde have been significantly better for them through many years now, than the Alliance have ever been in the past.
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Oh please. Alliance protected Quel’thelas many times and especially the Humans.
When the Highborne first moved to Eastern Kingdoms it was the humans living in the mountains that greated them and gave them Food. Meanwhile the Trolls killed them.
Later during the Troll wars humans helped again, otherwise Quel’thelas would not exist
In the second war they help again. Push the Orcs and the Horde in the southern lands of Quel’thelas out.
Both factions helped them equally.
It was who helped and who didn’t during the 3rd war that made them switch so easily. And it was mostly due to Sylvanas windrunner who begged the Horde to help. As elves are known to switch easily for whatever benefits them
But to say Alliance did almost nothing for Quel’thelas is a stretch.
And please don’t mention any of the Eversong Quests in BC as that was Clearly added to support the faction change.
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Not the Alliance, and the Amani trolls.
Not the Alliance, and the High Elves never decided to keep contact with the humans up until this moment.
Mhm.
Why not? It is as much a part of the lore as anything. What, can we then also just say that the Horde invading Azeroth was just a part of gameplay? It is not actually lore, because it is obvious that it was just a made up story to justify a gameplay mechanic which was a war between two different factions.
No, it is a part of lore, so to further summerize High Elven lore.
Not entirely.
While the amount of times the factions have helped may be equal, the Alliance, both old and new, committed far worse sins… so to speak. The old Horde tried to destroyed all civilizations on Azeroth, but the current Horde is not the old Horde. The representant of the human Alliance tried to kill the High Elven royalty, playing an integral part in said royalty’s route to madness, the Ironforge dwarves played a part in this, the Ironforge dwarves are a part of the current Alliance. The Ironforge dwarves are also the ones who ended up playing a part in the spy and potential saboteur mission in Eversong Woods later on.
The current Alliance then proceeds to spy and potentially sabotage key structures of the Blood Elves, following a disastrous event to the High Elven people, their magic fount was destroyed, their addiction to magic became a liability, they used some of their buildings to gather the magical energies left in the air which could be used to sate that magical addiction… and the Alliance potentially played a part in the destruction of these buildings. Not to mention having an invading force landing on the shoes of Quel’thalas.
The Horde, who is no longer the old Horde - reached out to the Blood Elves and offered help while the current Alliance took it upon themselves, to smack their heavy boots onto the chests of the Blood Elves laughing as said elves gasped for air.
That is basically what happened.
It also helps that the High Elves were generally xenophobic, and never really cared much for this ‘Alliance’ at all. Only a minority did, including the Crown prince who later developed the same distaste towards the Alliance.
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we dont need “horde” ideas for alliance? Just give what is asked. Sc elves
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Can I just say something. This thread was created in May 2020, which was a very long time before the new skins were announced for Void Elves. Now that the new skins have been out for a while I think it would be a better idea to create a new thread and maybe open a Poll to get High Elf customizations made available for Void Elves. The reason I say this is because the devs never gave actual named High elves to neither the horde nor the alliance (albeit the horde had them minus the eye color before SL).
The Horde was given Blood Elves, and the Alliance Void Elves. The Horde, however, had High Elf customizations available to them in skin and hair colors since the very beginning of this conflict back in TBC. The only thing they did not have was their eyes. The Void Elves, released in late Legion, did not have the skin, did not have the hair, and did not have the eyes. In other words, they had NOTHING that resembled High Elves which could cater to the requests of the tens of thousands of players requesting High Elves.
In SL we saw a great progress in Void Elves in the means of skin colour and eye colour that resembles that of High Elves. The only thing left is to be given some hair colours that can resemble those of High Elves to satisfy the requests of the many who want High Elves. You will find I have a thread up to grant light hair colours to Void Elves. Since neither Blood Elves nor Void Elves are called ‘‘High Elves’’ I think that is fair and we can now look into getting some proper hair colours and hair styles for Void Elves instead. So I think we should open a new thread and request those High Elf features we want to be available on Void Elves, perhaps with some uniqueness to them such as a voidy blonde hair color.
Well look. This was created like 5 years ago, and we still going about same thing- playable highelves - silver covenant
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and before that were even more with reaching post cap limit within 1-2 month. But since forums moved i think they are archived .
Not to mention that people asking playable highelves since forever, vanilla.
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And it still is. It’s the topic about high elves being playable and my responses have been focused on that. I don’t have an agenda, I have point to make.
The honouring of their fallen is an act of mourning. It is an assumption to think that calling themselves blood elves is a permanent thing, it could be a temporary thing for some, others it may be a permanent thing, without biological or morphological changes it’s a designation that can change based on an individual’s choice.
Blood elf isn’t a biological race, it’s a faction of high elf - so a high elf can call himself blood elf, and a blood elf can decide he is a high elf once more - whether it’s because they are no longer mourning or it’s the alliance that influences this or just a return to that identity for various reasons.
Trust me many of these people are trying very hard to re-write the lore. Read what Brigante writes in the other post, trying to paint the high elves as nothing to do with the alliance, but anyone who’s played and followed Warcraft as well as the lore, knows the alliance is themed upon what blizzard wrote and developed humans and elves in particular, as well as dwarves.
It’s the alliance cornerstone - no matter how much they may harp about the blood elves on the horde, it is blizzard that makes these elves so alliance themed and based and so intrinsically tied with the humans.
They just not realising that the point of the blood elves is having a human-type, alliance type race on the horde to make it attractive. Ofc it doesn’t help the alliance if they do the nicest looking versions of the alliance… but it certainly helps the horde elf crowd have bragging rights and sneer at the Alliance sticking it to them thinking in their hearts “we got your stuff better than you, it’s ours and you can never have it back” and this is why they oppose playable high elves or the return of the high elves so much - It’s nothing based on logic or reason or good game sense.
You do realise that humans and elves existed LONG before the Alliance faction right? So it doesn’t matter if most human and elven groups are not in the alliance or in it, whether some are on the horde or another faction, the human, elven and dwarven races of the Eastern Kingdoms is what the Alliance is based on. Also note that their civilization template is from the Kaldorei - it is blizzard that wrote the kaldorei as the origin of the very things that has come to characterise the alliance.
The point is, when you understand the motive for certain lore additions, you realise that these aren’t that important to prove any real point because they will change just like that to support another direction that has a good enough gameplay reason to exist.
So if they decide that restoring the High elves is good for the gameplay (which I am convinced it will do wonders to that effect) trust me, they can reveal many more sides to the past you never saw that would once again change your perspective.
Did you not know blizzard hasn’t really told the high elf side of the story of that era, they’ve alluded to it, and you can piece it together based on the information given, but because you are horde minded, you wouldn’t see it, those who have taken hard to horde blood elves don’t view the situation from an alliance perspective, but I can assure you it is there.
and if blizzard wants to make high elves playable, especially if they want to bring Quel’thalas and Silvermoon and all their inhabitants back to being identified as high elves and the alliance, they only need to show that perspective and voila… what you have held as absolute truth just becomes the perspective of one side…but then, that is what it always was.
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I mean it’s so obvious to me that this really matters to alliance fans, I mean that anyone would think that Elven improvements and restoration to the alliance would be the fire that lights the alliance flame again and restores interest in it and even popularity.
It’s so clear - alliance fans care more for high elves (and to a lesser extent night elves) than they do Dwarves, Gnomes, Draenei and Worgen COMBINED.
But you know who doesn’t want to admit this because of what it means? Horde elf fans, yet the evidence is all there, they deny it, but it’s clear. We tell them that restoring the high elves (return of the high elves) is what the alliance needs the most. Also what they desire the most. And because of this they need this.
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Oh, I am quite aware that blizzard can change anything in the lore to fit their gameplay criteria.
I argue from the point of view that they should not do that, and should stick to what makes reasonable sense considering the events that as unfolded in the story.
Hence why I do not think any elf should ever have been playable. Night Elves being in the Alliance or the Horde makes no sense at all, they were not favoring either of these two factions, they shared nothing with either of those factions, and they wanted nothing to do with either of those faction past ensuring their own survival.
Elves being playable is a mistake.
Same goes for forsaken for that matter.
Blood Elves call themselves that to respect those who died when the scourge attacked, they are not mourning them, they respect them and thus they keep their name. Those who still call themselves High Elves are just disrespectful goat-posteriors.
Blood Elves have no reason to join the Alliance, at all. High Elves have ALWAYS been largely xenophobic, and as a majority never wanted anything to do with the Alliance at all. They never truly were part of the Alliance, they were just temporary allies in a war against the Amani empire and the old Horde.
Just note how Anasterian were reluctant to send actual help to the humans, even when Anduin Lothar came to request help against the old Horde. And how the High Elves population looked at Kael’thas with dismay and distrust, due to them suspecting that he favored the Alliance over his own people. There was not, at all, any love for the Alliance in the xenophobic society that was the High Elves.
The idea that elves are Alliance is one that you have from Lord of the Rings, if that is what you want, then go play Lord of the Rings 2. A playable race will not change faction, never will happen… also because of gameplay reasons, they will also never be a neutral race like pandaren, also because of gameplay reasons, so you are lost on all fronts.
I play both Alliance and Horde, so I am neither Alliance or Horde minded, I am just a whole lot smarter than you are. Yes, rude but true.
Also, the High Elves’ side of the story is there already. Quel’Lithien High Elves were mad about getting exiled after they refused to drain magic from living beings. High Elves of the Silver Covenant are mad because the Blood Elves joined the Horde. High Elves of Quel’danil don’t care about anything but themselves.
What other story do you want to be told? That the Blood Elves somehow brutalised those who still called themselves High Elves? Tought luck, they didn’t, they couldn’t. They exiled a group, another group remained hidden away in Dalaran, and another lived in the Hinterlands, and the Blood Elves were too busy fighting to keep control of the Eversong Woods as Amani trolls emerged and remnants of the scourge roamed in Eversong Woods.
The story of High Elves, their entire story from before their exile and up until they split into the two groups, is that they are not very nice people.
Also, don’t presume to speak for all Alliance players.
Most would disagree with you.
Most don’t care about the overall squabble, and whether one faction steals more from the other.
Personally I don’t care much about that myself. What I care about, is when people make silly… or rather foolish mistakes in regards to lore. Misunderstandings, outright lies, etc.
I had to laugh when I saw this. Not at you, but… join the very long line who’ve been saying this. I’ve gone past the point of frustration to the idc anymore stage.
Personally, I think night elves should have been their own faction, they were unique enough to not fit in either faction but having elements of both, the pre0sundering civilization of their original development is very alliance centric and themed, but the long vigil era is closer to the horde - their elven characteristic and duality is rather unique although the benevolent nature puts it in the alliance zone - still it was unique.
So were the undead as a faction - I think things would have been far more interesting that way. The Illidari faction would have split eventually and become part of the other factions. - fel elves going to the night elves after Illidan defeats the legion, Blood elves returning to the alliance and naga going horde.
That’s what I think personally. I also personally feel that in this two faction format, it’s really over done. it’s not working and they should get rid of the factions or minimise them in favour of the races.
What I have been talking about in this thread and the alliance thread is the solution that would work best if they were to stick to the two faction format and try to fix it, it is actually the development I’m least interested or least wanted. The 4 faction format of WC3 would have been the most exciting thing.
I disagree with that, it may seem that way to one group, but when blizzard created the blood elves, they soon after characteristically distinguished them from the high elves, this difference immediately created the possibility that some Thalassians would be unwilling to become what the blood elves were becoming because it was more than just mourning /respecting the dead - it was a change in philosophy, character, ideology and values.
At first, little did we know that blizzard would undo all those “interesting” changes, and play the blood elves out essentially as high elves. But then when you look back, that’s exactly what they wanted.
So are night elves, but high elves have been part of the alliance since they were introduced. Unlike Night elves and forsaken who were introduced as their own factions and created that way. High elves were introduced as part of the alliance faction, just as trolls were introduced as part of the horde units.
It is much later on, in TBC, that filled in lore shows the high elves as more distant to humans than original impressions alluded. Still, though the alliance is themed upon the character and civilization that the elves and humans portray, regardless of whether all or none of either elf or human are on alliance, however blizzard kept both human and high elves on the alliance all throughout. Never forget that.
They have made the blood ves the larger population then sent them horde, but the high elves have been involved in the alliance in varying capacities and in an unbroken line since their introduction in WC2.
What the alliance doesn’t have is the high elf kingdom and the majority f the Thalassians, this was taken from them in TBC and put on the horde, but what is on the horde is very much alliance themed. It’s the high elves - thanks to blizzard changing the blood elves back to high elves thematically, but leaving them on the horde.
Whether it is similar to LoTR or not is irrelvant, and whether I like that or not is irrelevant… this is what Warcraft lore shows. The alliance is themed upon what blizzard designed their humans, high elves and dwarves to be like. The things humans, high elves, and dwarves about, do, value, their mindset, culture structures etc, it is the group of Azeroth peoples that were attacked by the horde. The theme of the alliance is human-type civilization minded people with a strong sense of nobility, law and order, justice in a society, development, knowledge and arcane magic.
While unique elements like night elves, worgen and pandas are added later, make no mistake what the alliance is themed upon, and while the druidic side of the kaldorei is a bit different to that, the pre-sundering side of the kaldorei is the zenith or epitome of that, and as such the night elven civilization that is characterised by the Nightborne and kaldorei Highborne is also 100% Alliance themed.
I play both alliance and horde too, as for the other claim of yours, it is not my place to judge.
You can piece together the high elf side of the story, but in order to see that perspective you have to come form the alliance side and view of things, something that horde centric fans struggle with, even those that play both factions. you can play both factions but still side every time with the horde rhetoric and side - that is usually a sign that you’re a horde play who just happens to play both factions.
good for you.
Says the horde player, now speaking for “most” of the alliance players 
A 5year topic and a discussion that has been popularly requested for since wow went live tends to disagree with you.
But what do I know, you apparently are much smarter than I am.
You’ve said a lot about yourself for a person that allegedly doesn’t care much about themselves. But what would I know - according to you, I’m stupid, misunderstand and tell outright lies - nevermind
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After a bit of discussion and development in the Legacy of the Quel’dorei Discord, I’ve created a crest for the high elves that’s based around Thori’dal.
The tweets explain a little about the thinking and reasoning behind this design, and why it makes sense (to me, at least).
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They should be a not-playable race.
Game is a two-faction set game, introducing more playable faction would not work. Elves as playable races is not really viable.
As mentioned, having 90% of their population decimated humiliated the High Elves, the Blood Elves were those who sacrificed ideals and values for survival; the High Elves in Quel’Lithien did not like this and so they protested and was exiled for doing so.
This does not mean that the Blood Elves changed in other aspects. They are practically the High Elven of old, always have been, but with the willingness to gobble up magic from living beings.
No, it is earlier, much earlier, already from WC3: Frozen Throne when the Blood Elves were introduced.
Nothing was taken from the Alliance. The High Elves ultimatively left the Alliance after the second war, after Warcraft 2, with a few deciding to still help in Warcraft 3. Namely some of the priests of light in Quel’thalas.
In WC3: Frozen Throne Kael’thas brought the Blood Elves into the Alliance only to be met with hostility and dare I say it, betrayal, from said Alliance; some of whom are still members of the current Alliance (The Ironforge Dwarves)
It is not.
No, it is what you want it to show because you are too deeply engrossed with Lord of the Rings, for whatever reason. You want elves and humans to be this buddy buddy pair against the ugly monsters on the other side. You know what that franchise is named? Lord of the Rings.
This is Warcraft, not Lord of the Rings. Let the Warcraft elves be Warcraft elves. Atleast draw a little more inspiration from The Elder Scrolls lore instead, where the elves are supremacists, that would fit Warcraft elves far better.
That is a silly notion.
Tauren have a strong sense of nobility, so do many orcs in fact; just because one likes to take the account of the vocal minority of orcs, does not make them all like that, that is pretty much what we are told in lore. You haven’t seem to been following. Also, Horde have also practiced arcane since classic… troll mages.
You have a false idea of the themes. The Alliance are imperialists, elves don’t really fit that theme. The Horde are survivors in a world that hates them. There, those are the themes for you. Elves fit the Horde theme far better than the Alliance.
Yeah yeah, my view is Horde biased but your own is perfectly objective, blah blah blah. Nah, your point of view is silly.
What can I say, I am objectively correct.
With the same few 75 people. Many people do indeed care out of the millions who play the game 
As with any other franchise I am invested in, I care for it’s lore, and I hate to see it misconstrued; which you seem to like to do.
I am mostly just correcting lore flaws.
No it is not, during the years of the Empire, there was no such a thing. The Nightelves were fighting with the humans. You cannot call our city an Alliance city, it is Highborne city and the last legacy of the Empire that our kin once have had.
Which you, modern Kal’dorei have lost. Embracing the true power of the trees. You have grown as savage as trolls lurking in your forests.
Leave our city, to us.
On this I am agree with you, and I am looking forward to see Azshara coming back and recreating the Empire.