Silver Covenant as an Allied Race would not work. You would need High Elves as an Allied Race for that to work. Still can’t type it, eh?
Apparently it is harder for you to type High Elves and have me agree with you, than to type Silver Covenant High Elves and me to disagree with you on the grounds that High Elves are not all Silver Covenant.
Check out the word ‘Sectarian’ The Blood Elves have done many things that are indeed grim (Which is why I find them fascinating) but one thing they have -not- done, is Sectarian Violence. The Silver Covenant have.
Thats not saying the Blood Elves are good people, far from it, I love the fact they are like the Elves of Myth and Legend, but they are not Sectarian. The Silver Covenant are.
Actually yes and no. They are not the first High Elves we see, I mean the SC only started during WotLK -after- the Sunreavers were in Dalaran. I’m pretty sure the High Elves as Quel’lithien and Quel’danil proceeded them. by ‘pretty sure’ I mean ‘Definitely were’.
Wait, are you jumping on the ‘Give Silvermoon to Alliance High Elves’ crazy train as well? Because that is a bold step to take, and one that changes your argumentative stance from ‘debate’ into ‘lecturing you as to why you are wrong’ territory.
So you disagree with the poster you just said you agreed with?
What is your exact stance on this? You want the 10% of Elves who are Exiles from Quel’thalas as playable, yes?
Or is it that you want all the Blood Elf stuff including their cities?
Because those are two very different things indeed.
I mean you can’t even bring yourself to ask for Quel’dorei High Elves as an Allied Race.
Why can’t you do that, when it is the topic title?
Oh OK, You are part of the Lunatic fringe then.
Expect mockery, dissection and rebuttal of your points.
You have crossed a dangerous threshold, from where your request was reasonable, to now being utterly risible.
Play WC3, it might give you an idea why the Blood Elves are not big fans of the Alliance. Then play TBC, that backs it up. Then play WotLK which gives further insight, then MoP Isle of Thunder and the Faction campaigns, that -REALLY- gives you an idea, then Legion,
It’ll give you a pretty good idea why Blood Elves want nothing to do with the Alliance anymore.
Plus to be honest, they were Alliance for what, one year?
Been Horde for 14 years and more by now.
why? they are highelves called silver covenant faction
i type to show that they are already in the alliance, as silver covenant highelves
which was?
but Kalibas explained very well. Horde and alliance should have been like in vanilla - distinct from each other. No wonder why people want no faction anymore because alliance races going to horde.
we want playable silver covenant faction, highelves as allied race
it’s title of this topic.
i am not fan of alliance or horde fan, Im fan of elves.
I dislike a lot human/orc thing. Wish it could just drown and vanish from warcraft.
In my opinion there should be third faction - elves. With highelves as separate race
because that is like asking for Sunreavers and not Blood Elves. It makes no sense logically to do so. You’d ask for Blood Elves. If you got Blood Elves, you can play a Sunreaver. It goes without saying, so repeatedly saying it makes it sound like you don’t actually want the race, just the faction.
Your wording makes no sense. Ask for High Elves. If you get High Elves, you can play Silver Covenant. You could also play a Highvale Ranger, or a Seventh Legion Elf. By asking for the Race, not one very niche specific part of that race, you are making it much more likely to appeal to reason. The way you’re wording it is as if somehow Silver Cov High Elves are in some way different from other High Elves, which they just ain’t?
You know that sentence I have quoted just there works equally well without the words ‘Silver Covenant in it’ I mean the SC aren’t even the -best- example! The Highvale mob were in the Alliance before the SC were even founded, (WotLK) and before the SC formally became part of the Alliance (Which was late MoP).
Look at the thread title! Ask for that! Actually, no, don’t, it’s a linguistic error. It is basically a Tautology, and you generally want to avoid those. Quel’dorei and High Elves mean the same thing, so the thread title is “High Elf High Elves as an Alliance allied Race”
Its kind of like that scene when you run Icecrown on Hordeside, and Daddy Saurfang looks at Saurfang Junior (Who has just been slain as a death knight) and says in all seriousness, in Orcish, " We Called him Dranosh…" That speech.
Except if you think about it logically what he is actually saying is “We called him Heart of Draenor…it means Heart of Draenor, in the language we are all talking”
But yeah, back on track (Sorry, that Orc anecdote always creases me up) Everybody knows there are Quel’dorei in the Alliance, you don’t need to keep citing the Silver Covenant as an example, especially as they were late to the party and other Quel’dorei were Alliance first…
Ermm. It was pretty famous. It was in fact the moment the Silver Covenant actually -joined- the Alliance. Thing called the Purge of Dalaran. That is the definition of Sectarian Violence.
Hang on, so like Vanilla?
So you don’t want playable High Elves then?
Horde and Alliance are pretty distinct already, the only people who can’t see that is people who think Tolkien invented fantasy as a genre in 1954…
Which is it? Those are two things. Do you -just- Want Silver Covenant, or do you want playable High Elves? If the latter, why not just say that, as it -includes- Silver Covenant.
Yes, but you seem unable to say it. You always have to say Silver Covenant, as if they were the only High Elves in existence. Which they are not.
Waitaminute, So you’d want a third faction of what, Night Elves, Blood Elves, Nightborne, Void Elves, Void Elves who look like High Elves -and- High Elves?
They all been warned…so Sc elves are not to blame for anything. Somehow you forgot about mana bomb?
silver covenant faction as highelves
i already said why? Because they are here with all representation needed to join
YES. Because highelves what alliance ever asked are different from blood and void ones. Unless they all would be called ingame "high"elves…but they arent
What has the Mana Bomb got to do with it? That wasn’t what caused the Purge.
Also, nah nah nah, I’ve played the Purge on both Alliance and Horde. They don’t all get warned at all. The Silver Cov are perfectly happy to just wade in there with swords against unarmed civilians who are cowering and trying to surrender. Silver Covenant do not have the power of Arrest in Dalaran city anyway, that is the Dalaran Peacekeepers. Amusingly even Jaina does not have the power to give them the Power of Arrest, that lies with the Council of Six, she is its head, but still has to convene the Council, which she does not. She basically staged an illegal coup d’etat and set loose Sectarian combatants with no legal powers of arrest. Her actions and the Silver Cov actions are what we call -War Crimes-.
Silver Covenant faction -as- High Elves? So you don’t actually want High Elves then? Just Silver Covenant? Why are you posting in this thread if you don’t want High Elves?
No, you just keep repeating ‘Silver Covenant! Silver Covenant!’ as if there is anyone who does not know that the Silver Covenant are predominantly High Elves.
Let me make this simple. Silver Covenant are not an Alliance Allied Race. They simply are not.
High Elves could be an Alliance allied race. Some of them are Silver Covenant.
See how easy that is?
I don’t think you know what you want. You think the Silver Covenant are an Alliance Race…
The Sunreavers don’t even know why they are being attacked. The ones in Dalaran were 100% innocent. Aethas could guess why, but even he wasn’t involved in the crime. Nor for that matter do any of the civilians of Dalaran, you see those even of Alliance races cowering in their shops because they have no idea of the reason or what is going on.
Besides, if you play it on Alliance side, Jaina does say to Vereesa, tell them they must leave and if they don’t arrest them.
Vereesa just hears that as ‘Kill them, Kill them all’ and proceeds to do so, I mean one of the guys you kill is drawing his own money out of the bank so that he can comply with that request and leave! The Silver Covenant then either kill, or drug (Depending on which option you as the player choose) the Dragonhawks at Krasus Landing, so that the Sunreaver civilians -can’t- comply with the request, therefore giving the Silver Covenant free reign to kill 'em all! That’s like saying to someone "Get in your car and drive away from this city, or else! Then stealing their car keys.
It was about the Divine Bell however, yes. One or two Sunreavers (Think it was actually just one) Stole the Divine Bell using Kirin Tor resources. Aethas did not know in advance, but found out afterwards, however Garrosh being the charmer that he is, threatened the Blood Elves with severe ramifications if he told anyone. Hence the Blood Elves themselves didn’t even know what had happened. Aethas was more scared of betraying his people to Garrosh, than of staying silent about what had happened to Jaina, he chose the latter option, but to be fair, he was stuck between a rock and a hard place. Ironically -every- Sunreaver murdered in the Purge was 100% innocent of any wrongdoing and didn’t even know why it was happening. the One Sunreaver who -had- actually done it wasn’t even in Dalaran at the time, and is, I believe, still alive and at large, though likely now one very, very lonely Blood Elf, as like the others who helped Garrosh escape his Trial, he is likely in AU Draenor, the only one of his species on the planet. Serves him damned right. Unless Yrel’s crusade has killed him, which would equally serve him damned right.
Slight Exaggeration there. Besides, it isn’t like a balancing act “Oh, they did three War Crimes, I have only done one, that means that morally I am allowed to do two more War Crimes!”
I mean War Crimes are still War Crimes, regardless of who does them.
I mean looking at it sensibly. -Horde- War Crimes (so More than just one person committing the crime) include.
Darnassus.
Yes it was just Sylvanas who gave the order, the original intention was to invade, occupy and keep the Civilians alive, so thats a 'umm,technically Sylvanas, but Horde gunners did follow the order to launch fire, so technically the Eastern Kingdoms Horde are innocent of that, the Kalimdor ones are pretty guilty)
Garrosh’s treatment of prisoners fleeing Theramore (Though by this point he arguably was not Horde, as everyone else was following Vol’jin)
Theramore itself was not a War Crime, and anyone who thinks it was is absolutely mental.
Southshore was a Warcrime.
Sludge Fields was one crazed Forsaken, who the Forsaken -themselves- Executed for what he was doing.
It depends really, because it gets confusing the boundary between who actually committed the War Crime, whether it was Horde as a whole, or Individuals at the time.
It’s sort of like, Jaina, Vereesa and those Silver Covenant during the Purge are guilty of War Crimes. Non Silver Covenant High Elves however are innocent, as is the Alliance as a whole. They are guilty of ‘complicity’, which ironically is the only thing Aethas was guilty of when Jaina storms in and murders his guards, but they are not guilty of War Crimes, That is just Jaina and the Silver Cov.
Some of the Theramore troops are guilty of the torture of prisoners, generally regarded as a War Crime (Actually the Kirin Tor have done that one as well)
Two Alliance races are involved in the mass murder of children (Gnomes and Dwarves) Never thought I’d see a quest (that you can’t skip) where the player character is sent to murder children. Certainly never thought it would be an -Alliance- Quest. Yes, I did feel bad doing that quest on my Gnome.
They used Penal Troops at Taurajo, which is a war crime, as is the mutilation of the murdered civilians afterwards.
Both sides are bloody up to the elbows. The difference is, Alliance War Criminals get away with it, Horde War Criminals end up as Raid Bosses.
Not yet indeed. Probably the only accurate bit of your answer! But yes, we don’t know what the future will bring.
Right, look, your answer is incorrect, then goes half correct, then loses it.
The statement I made was “You think the Silver Covenant are an Alliance Race”
“Yes” (No they aren’t, they are an organisation -within- an Alliance Race)
“Allied new race highelves” (Brilliant, we’re getting somewhere! you accept that there is an Alliance race called High Elves)
“Faction Silver Covenant” (Why do you have to keep doing this, you were going so well.)
So from what you say there, you want people to be able to play Alliance High Elves, but only Silver Covenant ones? Not Highvale, or Seventh Legion, or unaffiliated. You -Just- want every person who rolls High Elf to be forced to be in the Silver Covenant?
Because that is what you are saying…and that sounds mighty limiting and unlikely.
Because of shameless self promotion, I’ve uploaded a transparent version of the Thori’dal high elf crest on Twitter, and I’m attempting to embed one in here as well:
Void elves should get nothing until issues with the nightborne has been resolved. Also what should blood elves get if you guys start looking exact copies of us? hm? Can we then get dark ranger looks or even a completely new race since you guys want to take our race? You cant just expect to take.
Gosh i wish these void elf and high elf topics would die out.
Just to explain a little. In the Sunwell raid, two sort of similar bows drop. The Golden Bow of Quel’Thalas, and Thori’dal, the Stars’ Fury. The Golden Bow of Quel’Thalas looks very similar to the Icon of Blood, the blood elf racial crest. Both the colours and the name suggests that the Icon of Blood was created after the majority of the high elves were renamed to blood elves. Which leads me to believe that the high elves had another racial crest before the Icon of Blood. Historically, we know that at least high elven ships used a unicorn, but there’s more or less no unicorn iconography present in the game. There are, however, golden phoenixes on blue backgrounds used by high elves. So, my hypothesis is that there used to be a crest that inspired the design of Thori’dal. And similar to how the Golden Bow was simplified, I think the design Thori’dal was based on also was more embellished and ornamented. Especially with vines. My theory is that the vines we see on the Alliance crest were meant to represent Alliance high elves.
It’s also worth noting that Thori’dal’s core part actually doesn’t stop at the bottom, but is bent backwards. That’s why the proposed high elf crest is longer.
So here are the core parts of the two bows, together with the crests that I’ve chosen to interpret that inspired them.
I think you may need to also. It confirms what I said. Jaina said one thing, the Silver Covenant did another, and then made it impossible for the Sunreavers to comply!
Oh Dear, War Crimes!
I mean it is -in- that link, it directly states that they killed Sunreavers trying to escape the violence, who were not resisting, and that they nullified/killed their means of not partaking in the violence…
Oh Dear, War Crimes!
Muses “A Vulgar abuse of Power?” “A Slight Case of Overbombing?”
Wait, no, got it.
“War”
If Theramore was a civilian city, that would legit have been a War Crime. Unfortunately Theramore had given up any pretence at being a Civilian city as its troops had already advanced as far as Stonetalon Mountains, committing atrocities on the way.
So yeah, Mana Bombing Theramore?
Absolutely fine. Not a War Crime.
Before anyone goes “B-but Christie Golden said it was in the book” Yeah, I’ve read the book. I see how little understanding she has as to how War Crimes work in our world. You know she accuses Garrosh of a War Crime committed when he was a three year old boy on a -DIFFERENT PLANET!- and somehow everyone takes this as valid?
Yeah. I do not take Christie Golden as a valid arbiter as to what War Crimes are. They really need to do some research into how these things work, because the Crimes Garrosh is accused of you just read the book and go “Yeah, Jaina, you did that as well…oh, and that…and that…not that one…oh, you did that one twice, and that…and…Hang on, why aren’t you -both- on Trial here!”
So yeah, Military city projecting force into a people’s land who were not attacking them=Military target. Taking them out with the biggest Bomb you have =Smart Tactics.
That is what I would call it.
Right, so…you don’t actually want High Elves then? I mean how much simpler can I make this question, for you to understand it.
Lets try again, this is probably about try twelve now.
Do you want.
a)High Elves, who can be Silver Covenant.
or
b) Just Silver Covenant, and not other High Elves.
This has nothing to do with the Silver Covenant. This is supposed to be far older, and a crest for all high elves prior to the Scourge’s invasion of Quel’Thalas.
This isn’t a Silver Covenant crest. It’s a hypothesised, fan made high elf crest, similar to my own, but a recoloured Icon of Blood, rather than one with the same core design as Thori’dal.
I wouldn’t mind a Silver Covenant crest by merging the Thori’dal design and the Icon of Endurance (the upper crest in your suggestion, also made by me, by the way). That would be a Silver Covenant crest, though, and not an interpretation of what the high elven crest might have looked like before the Icon of Blood became the blood elves’ crest.
Wow blood elves past +horde…that’s RICH
