Quel’dorei High Elves as an Alliance allied race (Part 1)

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5478

Oh I’m sure you already know Danuser’s quote:

There’s just one question: If they come from a small group of Silvermoon Exiles, how are they an Allied Race? Where do the numbers come from?

“They start out as a small group,” Danuser continues. “But it’s natural as other elves have found out about them — elves who are interested in new sources of magic, power, or opportunities — would see if they could undergo a similar process. They’re not … recruiting , necessarily, but they’re open to those who show a similar interest.”

He says they “start out as a small group”, the implication being that they’re no longer a small group (thus the verb “start out”), and that they’re accepting new elves (scholars and wayfarers) to train. As for the “similar [transformation] process”, I’m sure it’s Danuser being purposefully vague here specifically because devs haven’t decided yet what or how this ‘new’ process consists of. But he pretty much confirms that their numbers are growing, also implying a ‘2nd’ generation of Void Elves. That would explain the new skin tones Void Elves received, as well.

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5479

exactly, and Locus walker confirmed this himself when you talk to him in Telogrus while he is teaching the High elves. he says he is surpised to see Alleria’s kin following the same path she did.

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5480

Calling her a “Void Elf” is a bit missleading tho’"
I mean while Umbric and co were the victim of a botched ritual what suposed to turn them in to void thingies, Alleria munched a void Naaru’s essence
Not really the same
Actually totally different
I know, I know Blizzard said so, she is a Void Elf, but still…
Anyhow, since High Astromancer Solarian could already turn into a voidwalker in The Burning Crusade and that Dranei girl, Elsaana mentioned how blood elves of the Sunfury consume the energies of Outland’s voidwalkers to power their magic the proof, the Elves had the habit even back then dabbling with the Void
A good groundwork where the scholars could start; paired with the interest and knowledge of Locus Walker…? And Danuser said, on Telogrus, with both Silvermoon scholars ans high elven wayfarers are studying the ways of the Void specially for the reason to try to find out if they can reproduce the original process that transformed the void elves… not impossible, they found it already, just Blizzard forgot to tell us

5481

Oh -that- one! Yeah, I remember that one. It seemed like a really vague cop out. “They’re not Recruiting but they’re open to those who show a similar interest.”

Well Yeah, but a) if you actually look up Void Elf on Wowpedia, it states, with sources, that the Scholars and Wayfarers are there to study the Void, not to necessarily become Void Elves, as we have no idea if the magical accident can be replicated, because it’s kind of hard to replicate an accident, when you don’t know what went wrong.
and b) What on earth does he mean ‘they’re not recruiting, necessarily, but you can join them’ His wording is a bit weird there.
-If- it is possible for people to turn themselves into Void Elves, then…they kind of -are- open to recruiting, I mean what else they going to do say “Nah, we’re not recruiting, why don’t you go and see if Silvermoon have changed their mind yet, good luck!”
It was a bit of a wishy washy answer that could have been firmer, and more precise.

Well, yeah. It seems like he’s talking about the actual Void Elves that already exist themselves, but also about the Scholars and Wayfarers who are -studying- the Void. Both of whom could be said to follow the same path as she did.

I think we need a lore update on Void Elves, but this time one where they can definitely confirm what the craic is, whether they can create more, and how.

5482

A petition has been made to request customization for the Legion Allied Races. Feel free to sign it here http://chng.it/4chq8tKN this one is for Legion ARs so I apologize for not including all ARs. I also support that both Velves and Belves should get markings/tattoos at the same time, just as it happened with eye colour.

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5483

Alleria is a high elf using void elf powers.

Signed.

I am wondering is she going to leader high elves or return to Silvermoon and lead blood elves. Or maybe third faction for united elves, ruled under Windrunner sisters.

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5484

By that logic, the Natural skinned Void elves are also High elves using Void Powers.

In reality, she is a Void elf. Game confirmed it. Book confirmed it. Wowpedia confirmed it. And even Alleria herself confirmed it.

I know I know. You hate the fact they made her a Void elf. We all do. But that’s part of the lore and we can’t change it.

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5485

No She ain’t. Only you thinks so. Blizzard don’t, Canon lore doesn’t, the Void Elves don’t, and most importantly, Alleria doesn’t. Or are you trying to rewrite a Blizzard character to suit your own opinion. You could just write your own Fanfic if that is the case. You can make good money out of that, I mean 50 Shades of Grey was originally Twilight Fanfic. I mean both are rubbish, but if there is anything we have learned from Dan Brown and ‘The DaVinci Code’ is that some people will buy any old tosh and make you rich…

Might be trickier with Alleria though, as, well, I -think- she is a Blizzard copyrighted character, and Blizzard say she is a Void Elf, so…

What on earth…Right, She can’t lead the High Elves, because She…is…not…a High Elf anymore!

Besides, how can she lead the High Elves. I thought you only cared about Silver Covenant. She ain’t a member of the Silver Covenant…

How could she rule the Blood Elves? She’s the wrong Faction. She’s also a Windrunner!

Quel’thalas was a Hereditary Absolute Monarchy. Every ruler was part of the Sunstrider Dynasty. Now it is a Benevolent Dictatorship. The only reason it is not a Benevolent Autocracy is because a Benevolent Autocracy has no legal right to govern, it just does, however Lor’themar Theron -does- have a legal right to govern, as he was appointed Regent Lord by the Monarchy. The only reason it is a Dictatorship is that no one holds elections in Silvermoon, but equally, the Blood Elves actually seem really -happy- with him as their ruler.

Now the Windrunners are not noble. No they’re not. They were never part of the Convocation of Silvermoon. They -Do- have a hereditary position, which is that of Ranger General. (A Stupid way to decide Military leaders, but hey ho).

Problem (for them) is that they lost that status. Vereesa is a treacherous Exile, and would not last ten minutes in Silvermoon (Pretty sure a lot of Sunreavers who now live there have an axe to grind) Sylvanas can’t hold it because she is a treacherous Exile from the Horde in it’s entirety. Oh, and she’s dead. and Alleria, whilst not an exile, or particularly treacherous, is on the faction that the Blood Elves will never join so long as Vereesa and Jaina live. And married to the current Lord Regent of the Alliance.

Plus, of those three Windrunner sisters, only -one- of them earned their rank, which was Alleria, and her rank was Ranger-Captain.

No, a third Elven faction (Which will not happen, WoW is too tied to the ‘two faction’ system) would be one formed of a union of the Shal’dorei and Sin’dorei, jointly ruled by, what it now seems are two Lovers, Lor’themar Theron, and Thalyssra.

Nobody would care what Vereesa thinks, Tyrande is off being all Tyrande at the moment, and there simply aren’t enough Void Elves for anyone to really care about them.

You’re better off seeking more customisations for Void Elves, so they can look even more like High Elves, to be honest, and keeping them on Alliance side.

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5486

She was banned from Silvermoon forever after what happened when Lor’themar allowed her to visit the Sunwell. None of the Windrunner sisters is welcome to Silvermoon anymore.

I’d love to have an Elf faction ruled by Lor’themar, Thalyssra and Umbric, but I know it won’t happen :cry: The hopes to see the Void Elves allowed back in Silvermoon completely died after the incident Alleria caused. Oh and the kaldorei can keep sleeping in unburnt trees for all I care, I don’t see them mixing well with all the Highborne descendants, although they did allow the Shendralar back among them

5487

All Elves should unite under our beloved Queen, Azshara
I mean at this point the elves are on top of the Endangered species of Azeroth list…
And tangled in the faction war that consume them like a hungry beast
While its nice and noble to fade away and die out in the Tolkien way, but our elves are survivors…

5488

Kobolds and Gnolls are little more than critters, people that argue for them nearly make me cringe as much as the pro-playable murloc faction. A species needs to be civilised in the literal sense, they need to have the ability to make things like towns and allegiances. This is why naga and ogres are viable, but prevented by technical reasons and the like-- naga don’t have legs and ogres don’t have females.

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5489

Gnolls have all that tho’
Society, relegion, settlements, social structure, language writen and spoken, art, traditions, magic…
And the ability to work with other species

5490

I find it ironic the High elves left Silvermoon cause they refused to suck magic out of Animals. And here they are accepting the Void elves into the Alliance like some long lost cousins. Void elves who dabble in the Void and do nasty things like the Blood elves did. Alleria sucked a Naruu? Well so did the Blood elves.

Now you see High elves visiting Telogrus to study the Void, walking with the Void elves in Stormwind like best friends. And Vereesa never once judged her Sister Alleria.

Idk it’s all confusing. They could’ve given the Alliance High elves with unique hairstyles and it would’ve made more sense lorewise. And then give the Horde Void elves.

That way the Alliance will have the Lightforged and Horde will have the Void.

5491

Except that if you actually quest, you learn that all three of those are much more complex than you make out there.

Kobolds are actually pretty complex (Though their models are absolutely rubbish…you had one job Blizz, make them actually look like Rat People!) in that they are forced by necessity (Or possibly inclination) to live underground, yet in Legion we learn -why- the whole ‘You No Take Candle’ thing is important to them, they have a deep, almost religious fear of the darkness.

Gnolls are complex as hell, how can they possibly be ‘critters’ when they are intelligent enough to build up a military, occupy towers, wield magic to defend them, when even their outcasts can cooperate with others in pirate crews and such and sound incredibly erudite and proclaim to be able to see the future?

To be honest, if that makes you a critter, then that makes every core playable race a critter as well.

Murlocs are trickier. We see they do have an actual sense of consciousness, and self identity. They certainly have a higher sense of awareness than just going “MRRGBBLLLNENNGGGRBLE” and charging people. We see that when they -are- actually able to converse with people (I’m thinking Blasted Lands Ghost Murloc here) on an equal footing, that they are just as erudite and coherent as anyone else.

I’m not sure why these things would make a person actually cringe however…that is a bit of a weird response to have towards a computer game race. I might think them a bit rubbish, but they wouldn’t make me actually cringe in fear, which is what the word means.

Naga would be glorious. Even the lack of legs thing could be surmounted, Heck we have races who can’t wear shoes, yet can still equip them, but, granted, you are right, their ability to ride mounts would be weirdly curtailed unless they rode side-saddle.

Ogres. Well, What if I told you Ogres do have females, but they’re emancipated and don’t feel the need to wear bra’s, and 50% of the Ogres we have butchered were in fact female?

I mean I’m joking, but it would be funny for Blizz to actually turn around and say that, that all those Ogres weren’t all male, but didn’t feel the need to wear bra’s because their societal standards in that one particular regard were more advanced and tolerant than our characters?

How do you know if a WoW Species has females? They put bra’s on them. Hilarious but true. Prove me wrong. They even put bra’s on female Naga, which are a species that do not lactate or suckle their young! What the hell Blizz? Did no one teach you basic biology at school?

The less ranty and sensible answer about Ogre females is that they do exist, however they are (Of course) Skinnier and more femme looking, like a butch female Orc, and of course, they wear Bra’s… (I’'m not even joking, that is canon lore, Female Ogres look like a more butch version of Draka)…

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5492

I don’t know where that animal thing comes from, the High Elves were exiled from Silvermoon for refusing to use fel magic.

The first generation of Void Elves were Blood Elves, and plenty High Elves did nasty things too. Stop thinking the whole race sums up to the ones you see in Dalaran.

I wish a day would come when players would stop complaining about not getting boring High Elves as a playable race.

That wouldn’t make sense for two reasons. Alleria and Turalyon come as a package since they are a leading couple and heroes of the Alliance no matter what Alleria became. And gameplaywise, the point of the Void Elves was to add the Blood Elves models to the Alliance too. There is no reason for the Horde to want to play with the Void more than the Alliance, the only reason you say this is because you’re one of those who see the Horde as the bad guys ready to use any sort of magic and the Alliance as the good guys, although this faction always had people using dangerous magic too. Blood Elves don’t use fel magic as much as they used to between WIII and BC, and learned how to respect the Light instead of enslaving it like they used to. Blood Elves became way more careful and respectful of the energies they use, that’s why Rommath banished the Void Elves in the first place before they even became a race.

What I find ironic isn’t that Vereesa and Anduin blindly trust Alleria and the Void Elves, but that Tyrande and the Night Elves don’t seem to care when Tyrande has been horrible to the Nightborne who fought against Elisande and changed their ways. Hypocritical as usual.

5493

I think the nuance here is that the High Elves didn’t leave Silvermoon under their own steam, they were banished by Lor’Themar. They deeply disapproved of and were horrified by Mana vampirism, but obviously not to the degree that they felt the need to leave QT. A fairly accurate real world analogy would be Brexit. LT then banished everyone who objected because he felt he was unable lead a divided people.

So with that in mind, I’m fine with the High Elves and Void Elves living alongside each other in SW and the like, since they’ve lived alongside people they were horrified by before. It’s the idea that those High Elves would train to become Void Elves that seems out of character and a tad unbelievable to me.

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5494

I’m pretty sure it was Rommath who banished the High Elves just like he did years later with the Void Elves. Lor’themar obviously condoned the decision, but it wasn’t his idea either time. Rommath just loves to kick everyone out of our precious Silvermoon :sob:

They had a problem with fel being used to replace the mana/arcane energy from the Sunwell

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5495

Rommath has a temper on him. I like it because more and more Thalassians will join the alliance.

Kick some more people Rommath. Don’t be shy.

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5496

I don’t want to be that guy, but even Lor’themar wanted to join the alliance and started the negotiations…
Sure, Garrosh had to ruin it for everyone

5497

What were you expecting? They pulled void elves out of their proverbial rears and to be honest that’s what people were asking for basically. It wasn’t about high elves, people just wanted the model. There were many ideas how to do that, all were bad ideas and this is what resulted. A mess. But hey. The Alliance has the model.