Quel’dorei High Elves as an Alliance allied race (Part 1)

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Your faith in humanity may be overrated. I can see them getting very angry indeed, because it is a small minority that want High Elves in the Alliance, and -some- of the points made are compelling ones. I personally don’t mind, as long as it is lore abiding.

Unfortunately a lot of the requests are not lore abiding “And we need Paladins! And a Glyph that turns Void Elf abilities into High Elf ones! And the name of the race to be changed from Void Elves to High Elves, and more muscles because High Elves are all Rough, tough rangers (sighs there are probably more blood elven Farstrider rangers left alive than High elves as a whole!) Yeah, more muscled elves, because they had to live away from fancy magical Silvermoon!”

“What, you mean in the even more fancy magical Dalaran?”

“And they should have tattoos”
“Why?”
“Because Alleria”
“Oh, OK, well so should the Blood Elves then, because of WC2 Ranger units, Kael’thas and Rommath, oh, and Alleria, because we don’t actually -know- which way she would have went over the Mana issue, because she wasn’t around when it happened”

(People always forget that one. Alleria is a Thalassian Elf. She is neither Blood nor High Elf in that regard, because she never had to make the choice, and now it is an irrelevant one. I mean arguably it just doesn’t matter as she is a Void Aberration and so not even an Elf anymore)

Best ones I heard “Void Elves that look like High Elves should also get Silvermoon as their city, because it is too pretty for Horde to live in” and the priceless “Real Elves would never side with monsters!”

To the latter I almost have to hold my sides to stop them bursting. My sweet summer child, in the original legends Elves -WERE- the monsters! They were kings and queens of the savage, the brutal, the misshapen hosts of Faeryland, who would ride forwards to the ruin and desolation of humanity.

Put down that Tolkien book. Elves are not -nice- people, They are wicked, capricious monsters. They just happen to -look- nice.

So what started as people going “We want High Elves” rapidly descended into “We want High Elves and all the Blood Elves stuff too, and just get rid of Void Elves, it doesn’t matter what the people playing them think, they don’t count”

So it started to come across as all whiny “I want, I want!”

Thats why I preferred the old thread, you could actually have a decent conversation and spitball ideas as to how HIgh Elves could work, their racials, leaders and so on. Here it is just like angry children lying down and kicking their heels in a supermarket “I want High Elves!” “Do you want a discussion about how they could make sense?” “NO! I want High Elves, and I will hold my breath until we get them!”.

I really miss that old thread at times…

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Seriously Brigante, people most asked race for 15 years, you compare highelves with mechagnomes…like what?

Elves overall are most played characters for a reason, people got mad because nobody playing gnomes so why waste recourses to create utterly trash race like mechagnomes that maybe 1-2k people will ever play.

Maybe you should just remain quiet? Why cant someone ask for what they want, and have their own opinion about highelves ?

It was already explained thousand times what highelves community asking for, and how they already can be playable right away as silvercovenant. Why cant you just understand?

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Question how can I select a Certain line and show it above how i want to respond to it? ^^…

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Because -IF- you had been paying attention to the old thread, you would have noticed that I was actually supportive of the idea and made constructive efforts to actually state how they could be implemented into the game as opposed to just mindlessly repeating "We need Silver Covenant Elves who are just -one- group of High Elves who were formed specifically by Vereesa to oppose Blood Elves and do not represent High Elves as a whole. The Old Thread had constructive dialogue on the subject and this thread is just repeated “I want, I want!” without actually making any valid points.

Also, it is a forum. Thats how a forum works, if you don’t want other opinions, that may conflict with yours then perhaps making a thread on a forum is not the most constructive way to go about it?

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And What do you care if people want high elves it’s no skin of you’re back let people ask what they want it’s up to blizzard if they want to add it.

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And accept our opinions then and don’t call us whining kids or angry children. You’re sounding really hypocritical right now if I must be really honest.

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You mean making a quote like that?

Mark the thing you want to quote with your mouse, there will be a popup with “Quote” on it. Click on it.

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Thank you ^^

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Hoe could not be quiet but he could accept our opinions and don’t call us whining kids or angry children. He sounds really hypocritical right now if I must be really honest.

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Highelves are already ingame, no need make them look different as they are now.

Some may suggested to make them different for crying horde kids, because they had only argument - you want blood elf copy. In fact they have highelf copy from alliance, not other way around.

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Tbh give them atleast another stance like the humans. I think that would work out fine because how long do they live with humans now? And maybe even human or night elf hair styles to make them diffrent enough.

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Except that’s not true, because if it is, where is your alliance high elf option? Oh wait, it isn’t there. Copy of high elves what now?

I also think you fail to understand how racial grouping works. It’s not as simple as “whoever came first, wins” it’s actually more a case of “the winners write the history”.

In this case the blood elves are the winners. They have the numbers, they have the city, and they have the legitimate political authority of their kingdom. It is they who define what their people are, not some exiles booted out for being dissidents.

it’s irrelevant whether they were called high elves first or not. They may call themselves that, but that does not empower them to make claims as to their station as the “legitimate race” and belf as the “traitors” given belf hold absolutely all of the cards in that exchange. That is just not how it works.

So in this sense, the Belf are the legitimate offshoot of the Thalassian heritage, and it is they who have the right to call high elves “exiles” or "copies"not the around way around.

It is not the Chimpanzee-ancestor who defines us humans as “troublesome mutant apes” based upon the fact they came first. I think you’ll find it’s the one who stomps all over the earth with all the power and resources who does the labelling. In this case we recognise them as lesser evolved/less sophisticated creatures of the human-ancestor line. That’s how it works.

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I quite agree. Blood Elf Model, with Blue Eyes (Though personally I would also give them the option of Golden eyes for Priests or the Light Worshippers, and Fel Green eyes for those who went to Outlands, like the Allerian Expedition)

You’re cheapening your argument there, I’m 45, not a crying horde kid, I play both factions I’ll have you know! I just always post on this character for the sake of Transparency as to who I am, I could equally post on my 120 Gnome, Draenai or Human. In fact I have more max level Alliance characters than Horde ones, come to think of it. Does that make me an Alliance player instead?

Again, not true. Those few High Elves that were shown in game had the Night Elf model back in Vanilla, Even Sylvanas used that model.

The model used for High Elf NPC’s is the -Blood Elf- model since TBC, not a copy of an Alliance model, it was updated for those NPC’s when they made the new model for the playable race of Blood Elves.

High Elves should totally have that model, (and nothing else) because they are the -same- species. It’s a political affiliation, not a different species. My character Brigante there for example actually proudly wears medals he earned as an Alliance soldier in the Second War, alongside the ones he has earned as a Horde Soldier since TBC. They’re the same people. Any High Elf would have the same experience, having been a Neutral race until the Second War when they -did- formally join the Alliance of Lordaeron, but then also formally left the Alliance of Lordaeron at the end of that War. This was mainly because Anasterian (along with Genn and Trollbane) thought that King Terenas was an idiot for asking for taxes to put the Orcs into internment camps rather than just executing them. Ironically Trollbane, Genn and Anasterian were actually right. If they had not made the camps there would have been no Thrall, no uprising, no exodus to Kalimdor. The Darkspear and Tauren would have remained separate people likely exterminated by their foes, Murlocs and Naga, Quillboar and Centaurs. Essentially there would have -been- no Horde at all, just a tiny number of Frostwolves hiding out in Alterac, and unable to cause any problems. Equally the Night Elves would not have come into contact with the Alliance and so would remain sylvan ghosts and legends. Does also mean that there would be no Draenei on Azeroth, as the Blood Elves would still be calling themselves High Elves under the rule of Anasterian and his beloved son, Prince Kael’thas, so would not have hijacked an intergalactic crystal ship sailing to who knows where…

It is ironic really, King Terenas II was the father of the Horde just as much as Thrall was, by his policies.

Anyway, I digress. Facts remain that the model was made for Blood Elves, not High Elves. They -should- have the same model, but don’t kid yourself into thinking that it was originally an Alliance model. Those of us who played Vanilla remember what the High Elf NPC’s looked like, and it was -not- the same as they do now.

I buy -some- of this argument. And how long they have lived with humans is up to which group they were. To explain, Dalaran (I mean the city has an Elven name for goodness sake) was a city co-founded by humans and Elves, and some Elves lived there for most of their lives, like Kael’thas for example, and why not, the High Elves were the scions of the Highborne, and Arcane ran in their blood. -Those- High Elves would have lived cheek by jowl with humans for thousands of years, then you have the various Ranger Lodges scattered throughout the land (Fun fact, there is an Alliance settlement in the Dwarven areas called ‘Farstrider Lodge’ so clearly those Elves spread further than we thought!)

Then you have the Exiles, who would be about Eighteen years now. (Thats right, Vereesa and Rhonin would have been completely -not- OK, she was underage when they hooked up, which is why she was spared from the war effort, as she was ‘too young’ to fight. Knaak, what were you thinking? Then later than that, probably about fifteen years ago, Vereesa formed the Silver Covenant, after the Blood Elves (Including those of Dalaran) had joined the Horde. So yeah, the Silver Covenant are the newbie High Elves, but there would have been others that were High Elves before then.

Is that long enough to develop a different way of walking or standing?

Not really, its all still a lifespan for an Elf…

Hairstyles make sense, we do subconsciously mirror what is around us, and a haircut takes twenty minutes. Learning to stand differently either needs precise lessons or a -loooong- period of exposure.

Basically -this!

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You said you wanted difference for high elves so I give solutions to make them different and yes High elves are in-game and are joined with the alliance even Elisande said they were different enough so what else do you want?

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No, I have never said that. They -shouldn’t- look different because they -aren’t- different has always been my stance over the last gods knows how many years this discussion has been going on.

The difference between a Blood Elf and a High Elf is simply this. High Elves are Mana Vegans, Blood Elves eat Mana Meat, Then it is just a political matter. I can, and have, in my life changed my political stance in terms of who I support (Not drastically, admittedly, but I -could- have) That wouldn’t change how I look, or stand, or walk.

Thats all a High Elf is, a Mana Vegan traitor who supports a different political grouping.

None of that changes what you look like!

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Who cares if they look alike if people want to play high elves on alliance and don’t like the horde then let them it’s no skin of your back. And don’t even start with stealing the blood elf model we already have the void elf model so we aint stealing anything. And if the we get high elves the horde can get forsaken elves or San’layn that sounds fair to me.

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every high elf NPC , and silver covenant highelves says - Hi, not yet playable for players.

i wasnt talking about you. :slight_smile:

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Again, if you had actually -read- the original thread, you would find that this has been my stance since it started!

I’m not the one who made that claim. Read the Posts! Someone claimed the Blood Elves had stolen the High Elf model! Which makes no sense, as the High Elf model back in Vanilla was the same as the Kaldorei one!

Seriously, read what is being said, not what you think is being said.

No thanks. Enough Elves already, and no I don’t want damned Ogres in the Horde either, even though they would make sense. Playable Gnolls? Now you’re talking. I would go for that!

But thats the problem, if they brought out a new Alliance Allied Race of High Elves, you would be getting a copy of a copy of a Horde Race.

I don’t think anyone playing Horde would want a copy of a copy of an Alliance Race, So therefore they would get something new instead.

Then the Forums would explode with people screaming about Horde Bias.

Again.

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But if other people want the race on the alliance then what do you care? And you talk about us being childish.

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Hey now… No need to get rude >=|

Well, if Terenas had killed off the Orcs, the Burning Legion would have conquered Azeroth.
So it’s a good thing he didn’t.