Quel’dorei High Elves as an Alliance allied race (Part 1)

What about those people on alliance who don’t want high elves or a copy-paste of a horde race?

I feel like this group is often forgotten about. It’s one thing to stomach an AR you don’t like but at least offers something a bit different (as they all do currently) but to have that AND a race that is literally no different to what is already in game?

Does anyone actually think of these people or is it a case of their opinions don’t matter because they don’t pipe up on the forums every day?

I’m not fundementally against high elves in themselves as a race, but having an entire AR slot taken up by a literal copy-paste of an already existing race with NO thematic differences, NO physical differences but is simply on the other faction I see as a colossal waste of potential.

Especially when you can essentially “play” a high elf with the velf upcoming options, except the racial nametag and racial abilities. To consume an entire race slot with exactly the same because a few loud people are unhappy with a floating race tag is beyond entitled.

They’re literally twisting velf direction into pseudo high elves and people STILL want a separate entire high elf because they are incapable of suspension of disbelief caused by a freaking name tag.

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Lorathenus nailed it.

Because i ALSO PLAY ALLIANCE!

So yes, the behaviour here is childish, Because it is not interested in talking about the possibilities, the direction of the race, its leaders, its starting zones, its racials, what could be aesthetically done without stealing from the Main race of Blood Elves, its all just “We want High Elves!” "Yeah but, have you thought about… “No, We Want High Elves”

Its meaningless noise! Actually expand on it, think about it and present ideas, and before the usual suspect jumps in, There are -other- groups of High Elves in the Alliance, apart from the very newly formed Silver Covenant, thank you.

No people been asking for high elves for 15 years now and blizzard gives us a compromise ofc people would not be happy with. I am happy with the custums for void elves but they did a halve job with it and people have a voice if you can’t stand it please don’t react. And yes you can have your own opinion but let people have their own opinion without saying OMG too many elves yeaa sorry that is childish.

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And What ideas did you come up with because I only seeing you disagreeing with people?

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You’d have seen them all if you’d been on the original thread, but to go over them again briefly,

Renthar Hawkspear would have been a good choice as racial leader, he survived the fall of Quel’lithien Lodge but for some inexplicable reason then became a yellow mob attackable by both factions in Eastern Plaguelands. He was a Farstrider Ranger-Lord, so basically held the same rank as Lor’themar Theron, and as a Ranger Lord he earned his Rank, as opposed to Vereesa who never actually earned any Rank in the Farstriders but just started calling herself Ranger-General during WotLK. She rather famously -wasn’t- a Farstrider of any Rank when we first see her in Knaak’s story, because she wasn’t even old enough to -be- a Farstrider, as she was a child, which make’s hers and Rhonin’s relationship a rather deeply troubling one.
Starting zones? Well, there is the option of Dalaran, but that becomes troublesome, as unless all High Elf player characters are children under 18 years old, it was a Neutral city. My suggestion would have been the zone that is on the maps but does not yet exist in game (Similar to how Gilneas used to) it is to the South east of Quel’thalas and seems to have been part of it, and it is called the Greenwald. This would also explain why they start there, as it is actually close to both Quel’Lithien and Quel’danil High Elf lodges! (You can actually see the map outline of it on the Eastern Kingdom loading screens, if you think North west of Stratholme you’re looking at the right place)

As for Racials we know how most Quel’dorei survived post Exile, which was by carrying on raining -items- rather than living creatures, so to reflect that give them the same racials as Blood Elves, but -instead- of Arcane Torrent, to reflect how they survived, give them the ability to disenchant items like an Enchanter can, which gives them saleable mats for the AH but -also- have it give them a bonus to their primary stat for a period of time, the better quality the item the greater the bonus and longer the duration, So like +10% for a Green item, the buff lasting 30 minutes, +20% for a Blue item the buff lasting an hour, etc etc. Its neat because it has a trade off, if you get some green tat that is worthless on the AH, you can still get use from it, it you get something snacky however, you have to consider whether to consume it for the bonus, or try to sell it. Lot better than Arcane Torrent anyway…

Appearancewise, Blood Elf Model, same eye options, some different haircuts to represent the culture they have lived in for the last 18 years or so. The Sunwell provides for all Elves, so Blue eyes naturally, but also Golden eyes for Religiously devout High Elves, and also Fel Green for those exposed to Fel Radiation (Blizzard confirmed that some High Elves do indeed have Fel Green eyes due to having gone to Outlands, yes, even Alliance ones) So basically the same eye colour options that Blood Elves have, for exactly the same reasons.

Tattoos/Facepaint? No. They are -not- a High Elf thing, they seem to be a Ranger thing in terms of warpaint, and 90% of them are Blood Elves and a Magister thing in terms of Tattoos, and 90% of them are also Blood Elves, No Alleria does not count, as technically she is neither, and left Azeroth before the two split, so is not culurally iconic to either.

So either roll out warpaint and tattoos for both Blood Elves and High Elves (Which I think would be cool) or don’t give either them. Giving one or the other them makes no sense.

Racial mounts should be Quel’dorei steeds. I’m torn on this as they would equally use Hawkstriders, and the Void Elves use them, and I know Alliance players love to whinge about more Horse mounts, but even so, Quel’dorei steeds are -named- that for a reason, I’d stick with them.

Not that it matters but as Flying mounts I’d either go with Dragonhawks, or Hippogryphs, either fit, thematically.

Faction tabard to be the banner of Quel’thalas, in blue and silver, so directly the same as the Silvermoon one, just not in red and gold.

Enough ideas for you?

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I kinda like it but Hairstyles need to be a combination of human and Blood elf hairstyles or just Human and night elves hairstyles

But that does not give you the right to say people are childish and such.

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Well not really… Kind of, almost… But also kinda not.
They’d be High Elves with suspiciously “Voidy hair”…
The hair makes that kind of RP difficult. Unless you’re wearing a hood or helmet at all times I guess.

Not that it matters to me, just pointing it out.
Personally I’d just like a snow-white hair color and pitch-black one. Both fit the Void Elves and aren’t copies of Blood Elf ones.

And now for my disclaimers before some Blood Elf main starts going
“STOP ASKING FOR HIGH ELVES!!! REEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE!!!”

  • I’m not asking for High Elves, I wouldn’t mind them being playable but personally wouldn’t change my main to a High Elf.
  • I’m not asking for Blood Elf Hair styles or Hair colors being copied over to the Void Elves. I’d just like one purely white and a pitch black hair color, and more hair styles ofc, but who doesn’t want that for their race?
  • I play a Void Elf because I like them. Even if I changed the skin color to one of the “normal skinned” ones, my character would still be a Void Elf.
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The whole problem is with the voidy hair is that the males look that they kinda took a dip in a dirty swamp so that is also a problem.

And hair colors can be the same as blood elves because their hair colors.

Theoretically they could give the normal hair colors to Void Elves, but personally I don’t care one way or the other.
I just want white :white_circle: and black :black_circle: hair colors.
Not that “platinum-blonde” and “blue-black” the Blood Elves have.

The kind of white the Night Elves have and the kind of black the Humans have would be a dream come true :slight_smile:

That’s why give them human hair styles mixed with blood elf ones or humans and night elf hair styles with normal hair colors.

Well, I don’t actually need a right to do that, I automatically have that right. So long as I am not breaking any profanity rules of the forum I absolutely can do that. If someone is being foolish, I can call them out on it, if they are being childish, I can call them out on that too. Doesn’t mean my opinion is 100% accurate, because it is the same as anyone elses, 100% subjective, but if someone is coming across in a way that sounds petulant and childish, I will react accordingly.

Now if you -do- want childish, I will say this.

"Yeah, but when it comes to saying people are being childish…

The High Elf fans started it!"

(Its only funny because its true…)

They did not start anything they just asked blizzard to add a race they wanted for over 15 years and people who were against it made a whole problem out of this. And we also have the right to call you childish.

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I can tell you only got into this discussion recently, or you would not make such a statement. It’s a shame they locked the old thread, It was useful. People had ideas, there was artwork (some of it absolutely amazing! Not what High Elves would look like, but amazing) and all sorts of lore discussions.

Then you have this.

“We want High Elves”
“OK, Why?”
“WE want High Elves!”
“OK, here are Void Elves with HIgh Elven Skin options?”
“Thats not High Elves, we want High Elves as well!”

(Now at this point I will admit that Blizz did a weird teaser there, there is no reason why more normal hair colours, even if not styles, should have been on the table, but hey, maybe they are, nothing is set in stone right now)

“And we want Paladins, We Demand Paladins!”
"What? Paladins weren’t even a High Elf ‘thing!’
“They are part of the Alliance Class Fantasy, we want High Elf Paladins!”
“And we want Silvermoon City”
“What?”
“It is a spit in the face that Horde have it, we want Silvermoon City, and Alleria says we will get it and that she can claim it by right and it should be Alliance!”
“Uhh, it belongs to the Horde, the current ruler is the legitimate ruler, and Alleria doesn’t actually have any right to the throne, you know that right, she’s a Windrunner, not a Sunstrider, plus those voices in her head? They pretty much lie…”
“We Want Silvermoon!”
“Anything else?”
“Yes, Rename Void Elves to be called High Elves on the character creation screen”

Now if the above sounds like parody or satire, then that is because it -is- However I guarantee you, that -every- single line of dialogue making demands, are demands made in absolute seriousness by High Elf Fans.

I mean there’s even more than that, there’s some even more insane demands that have been made either this side of the pond or the other side.

I just gave you a list of consructive ideas that could be used to implement High Elves, and make them new, interesting and lore abiding. I gave reasoning, and went into detail, in fact to heck with it, I just made a post contributing more towards any decent discussion on High Elves than anyone else in this whole damned thread. (No offence to the people keeping it civil, ain’t anything personal) Something that actually focussed on what could be done, rather than just “I Want! I Want!”

What was your response? Huh?

What was any of you ‘High Elf Fans’ responses?

Did you engage with it? Did you go “Oh, that idea is good, but I think it could be expanded on?” or “No, that wouldn’t work?”

In other words you simply don’t -want- a discussion about how High Elves could work, but instead want a stream of posts saying “We want High Elves!”

Well good luck with that, because -that- would indeed be Spam.

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If one person could make one valid point, one, to justify High Elves a spot in the Allied Races section, I’ll be very impressed and I won’t be against it anymore.

But no, dense forum trolls like Moontear can only reply with sILvEr cOveNaNT eLVeS pLaYAbLe pLS; for crying out loud make your arguments valid and detailed instead of filling the forums with this garbage spam that no one wants to see. I’ll continue to report this thread for spam until it’s gone, unless someone can make one good argument. There’s nothing constructive here at all, and it’s getting really annoying.

well they said no to those drugs and they refused to betray their human allies and they were willing to talk with the other leaders about garithos’s racism behavior.

Hnnnngh! eye twitches

This is what I mean, how is that constructive?

They said no to what drugs?

High Elves (Quel’danil as an exception but I can explain the lore about them if anyone really actually cares) are -still- dependent upon Mana every bit as much as Blood Elves!

High Elves just drained mana from ley lines and -items- as opposed to living creatures! They have exactly the same addiction! Their addiction is now sated by the Sunwell, -just- like the Blood Elves.

They also didn’t refuse to betray their human allies! Quel’thalas was a Neutral state until the Alliance pushed them into the Horde! They left the Alliance after the Second War, for reasons I have explained at length. Those High Elves and later may I remind you -Blood- Elves who fought alongside the Alliance of Lordaeron did so as Allies, not as part of the Alliance! Those High Elves also did -not- talk to the other leaders about Garithos’s racist behaviour! That conversation was not had, they simply blanked it!

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I have seen good art conception art what blizzard can use so I cant see why you would say ‘‘We want high elves’’ and yes I agree with you’re statements on the allied race.

Why is she a troll because she has a valid point that the Silver convinant are a part of the alliance? And if you don’t like it then don’t come here. And reporting with something you don’t agree with is really sad please grow up.

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If you actually read what I said, I am reporting it for spam because there is nothing constructive or valid about this thread. It’s just spam upon spam, more garbage upon garbage that’s filling up the forums for no reason at all. It is an old conversation that is just being repeated, and it does count as spam.

And the Silver Covenant is the Alliance representitive in Dalaran, it is not a faction of Alliance soldiers. This has been said more than once, but it continues to be her primary argument. She is a troll.

Because she isn’t asking for High Elves, just repeatedly saying “We wants Silver Covenant”.

The Silver Covenant are a paramilitary group of the Kirin Tor, who are now once again Neutral. Yes they hate Blood Elves, but the body politic that they belong to is a Neutral one. I mean thats the whole -point- of the War Crimes aspect, both Sunreavers and Silver Covenant were supposed to be neutral, which is what gave Jaina her excuse for her coup d’etat.
Yes,both Sunreavers and Silver Covenant were heavily in favour of their respective factions (I mean thats why Vereesa formed the Silver Covenant in the first place) but they were supposedly Neutral.

I think it would be relatively safe to say that these days the Silver Covenant -are- Alliance, after all, the Sunreavers are now firmly Horde, but the Silver Cov are not the only High Elves in existence, a fact that Moontear keeps ignoring!

There are other High Elves! Like Quel’danil as I mention, and they are also Alliance. The Silver Covenant is not the whole remainder of the Quel’dorei, it is just more famous.

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