The Silver Covenant is a militant faction of the Kirin Tor. Led by the high elf Vereesa Windrunner, they reject the admission of blood elves into the Kirin Tor. They have joined the Alliance Vanguard, along with the Explorers’ League and the main host of the Valiance Expedition, in Northrend. They employ hippogryphs as well. The Horde 15 Horde equivalent of the Silver Covenant are the Sunreavers.
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Source? Because y’all have been making stuff up this whole time I don’t know what to believe.
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Is does make sense tho because they are 2 sides 1 is the high elves that joined with the alliance and the Sunreavers that joined with the horde.
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OK thanks I will do a lot with this information…
I understand you are not a fan of high elves (I think) But really I am trying to make sense
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Well you’re not trying hard enough because no one other than the rose-colored glasses wearing High Elf fans are convinced.
Aha okay if you think that that’s fine :3
As a reminder, the Sunreavers were part of the Kirin Tor first. The fact that Horde were in the Kirin Tor is the -reason- that Vereesa created the Silver Covenant. I mean that was the exact -reason- they exist! So the Sunreavers were there first, and logically the Silver Covenant were formed to counter them, which actually makes perfect sense.
As a genuine piece of advice I would not use Wowiki as a lore source, every Wiki on whatever subject can be edited by people without any facts, I’d stick to Wowpedia, which actually links their sources to their claims, from canon sources, and when something is ‘thought’ to be true, without being true, they always label it as ‘unconfirmed’
Its a safer way of making sure you are planting your arguments on solid ground, I find, because if people say Source? You can go “This comes from X canon novel” or “This canon quest” or “This Canon source” rather than just “Wiki says so”
I’d strongly recommend it as a background tool for making solid points.
Thats not sarcasm, but genuine advice for lore discussions.
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And I appreciate the advice. But also in MoP the Silver Covenant were joined by jaina and the sunreavers were joined by Lother’mar does that not make sense that they are from the alliance and horde? And even in Legion they were sided with the alliance.
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Pretty much, This is why I think it is safe to say that the Silver Covenant -are- Alliance now, We know the Sunreavers were embraced back into the Horde during the Purge, which, yeah, makes sense, Then Jaina went to Varian “Look what I did!” Varian does a facepalm “We were just about to get the Blood Elves to join the Alliance, you have massively messed this up!”
We then later see the Silver Cov working for Jaina, who at this point has stated that Dalaran is a part of the Alliance.
This does actually make sense in a way but is massively wrong in some other ways. Jaina is the head of the Council of Six (Stupid number for a Council, always have an odd number, that way you can’t get a hung vote!) and yet has just without proof, tried to imprison one of them. The rest of the Council have fled, she has basically staged a Coup (Quite possibly the most dynamic and interesting thing Jaina has ever done!) Even the Legal Law Enforcement of Dalaran are gone, and Jaina sets loose a Paramilitary Group to illegally arrest and detain people. (Remember, if you play Alliance side, she also actually calls Stormwind Soldiers in. They don’t murder civilians like the Silver Cov, but they do watch in silence and not step in)
She -massively- drives the city state of Dalaran into the Alliance, by that act of atrocity. Ironically this is the same way that Sylvanas cements power at the start of BfA. It was -her- order, it was never the plan, but by ordering the attempted genocide of a race, she made -all- Horde complicit in her mania, even those nowhere near the place at the time.
Its a pretty powerful (if scummy) tactic, which both Jaina and Sylvanas seem to know how to use.
We see them on Isle of Thunder, again working directly for Jaina, but the difference is that by this point Jaina has said that Dalaran is Alliance, so therefore those Silver Cov -are- working for the Alliance. They’re not Alliance-sympathising Neutrals anymore, they are 100% Alliance soldiers.
So yeah, I’m certainly not saying they are still neutral. They -were- Until the Purge. After their hands were covered in civilian blood they had no choice but to ride that crazy horse till it stops, so they -are- Alliance now, even if they were innocent of the actual War Crimes themselves.
My point is, that they are just -part- of the High Elves who are Alliance, the most famous, sure, but they are not -all- of the Alliance High Elves.
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Okay, I agree but then you can say make them Silver covenant high elves from the alliance and I kinda think it was not really scummy as you think look what the horde did to Theramore if I was Jaina I would also not trust the horde and want them gone from my City.
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Remember that a) Jaina Got the Kirin Tor to side with the Alliance first, and b) That Thalen Songweaver was -one- Blood Elf and c) Theramore is -not- what caused the Purge, Sure, she was mad as all heck about it, but the Purge was a result of the Divine Bell incident.
Aethas Sunreaver actually sided -with- Jaina at the time of Theramore, in fact if I remember his was the casting vote that made her the Head of the Council of Six, but this was not done with an ulterior motive. It surprised her, that a Blood Elf would cast his vote for her, when some humans had voted against, but he was not implicit in Theramore, he did not know, in fact from the book, Garrosh had pretty much used that same tactic I mentioned earlier “Commit an atrocity, and everyone else has no choice but to fall in line because they are all now Complicit”, or as the Chinese proverb has it “He who rides a tiger is afraid to dismount”.
Basically once a line is crossed, no matter whether you are personally innocent or not, you will be judged as if you were guilty.
Thats where Aethas is at that point. He was acting in good faith when he voted for Jaina, he was not privy to Garrosh’s plans, which ultimately involved using his fellow Blood Elves as -bait- (Along with the other Horde forces attacking Theramore) to gather as many prominent Alliance as possible to the place where the bomb was to be dropped, he actually did not even know that a) the Horde had the Focussing Iris, and b) that there even -was- a Mana Bomb. He, along with Silvermoon and Undercity, and it seems almost everyone was entirely out of the loop as to what the plan was.
I mean think about that. The Horde and Alliance were fighting a conventional War over Theramore, and at the darkest hour, he actually voted in -favour- of Jaina, knowing she would bring the Kirin Tor into the War on the Alliance side.
Aethas is actually a much maligned character, when he has never actually acted evilly.
Likewise he didn’t know about the Theft of the Divine Bell until after it had happened, he certainly did not order it. He did however find out afterwards, but he had an impossible choice, Betray the Kirin Tor by remaining silent, or Betray the Horde by speaking up about what a couple of rogue Sunreavers had done.
He feared Garrosh’s vengeance upon his people, more than he feared Jaina’s reaction, so stayed quiet.
He did not even tell the ruler of his people that he knew what had happened, hence the emote on Isle of Thunder when Lor’themar is losing his temper with Jaina, and says “We knew nothing of this!” He ‘shifts awkwardly’
He obviously had not told Lor’themar, and whilst he didn’t -order- it, he did know that it had happened -after- the event.
He’s basically guilty of a Sin of Omission. He refused to mention something he knew, but was not guilty of the actual crime itself.
Thats pretty much Horde writing when Garrosh and Sylvanas were in charge. You had to Ride the Tiger, because as fierce and terrible and horrible it is, you know if you try to get off it will turn on you and kill you.
I don’t even like Aethas! But I can see why he did what he did.
Back on topic, I think Alliance High Elves should definitely use the blue and silver iconography, I think that is a strong look, and is kind of unique. I think they should keep the one headed phoenix banner of Quel’thalas (The two headed one was specifically Kael’thas’ Sunfury brigade) But I don’t think they should be purely Silver Covenant based, They’re just one part of it. Thats the only part where I am drawing a blank, as far as Heritage armour goes, as technically, their Heritage armour -is- the Blood Elf Heritage armour.
But perhaps thats the point, their heritage -is- the same heritage as the Sin’dorei, but equally that would make them the only Allied Race without its own ‘look’.
By the same token you can’t make ‘High Elf’ Heritage armour look all rangery, because there are more Blood Elf Rangers left alive, than there are High Elves as a group.
Its tricky, I can think about just almost everything else for High Elves to be playable, but I can’t picture what a High Elf Heritage armour set should look like.
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I agree I would love a rangery heritage armor And maybe we can use the Unicorn banner Maybe the heritage armor like Sylvanas when she was a high elf with the hawk shoulders. And why not? Most of them are rangers anyways.
But yeaa this would be a great idea for high elves Or make Subraces
https://i.ibb.co/c2xJCNV/subrace-customization-mockup-highelf.jpg
This also would be a great idea for the other races This is made by Moira
Lets just leave these threads to rest now. You have your blue eyed elves. No need to keep going about which elf is what. They’re all the same. High elf, blood elf, void elf. There is no difference anymore in terms of RP. You have the abillity to RP your own background for them now.
Well we still need normal hair styles and hair colors otherwise we cant RP high elves completely And maybe some Tattoos (witch the Blood elves can also have and Feather Jewelry but those are just wishful thinking :3) So let’s not lay this thread to rest if you cant stand it just don’t react.
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Then make a seperate thread about those cosmetics being made available instead of posting in a thread that’s about allied races.
When you start derailing a thread like this. The original posts have nothing to do with the bottom posts anymore.
Allied race or Cosmetics are both what the alliance want so it does not matter what they get.
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And who is “The Alliance”?.
I for one don’t want another elf race as an allied race, the cosmetics allow you to RP as the race you want. There is 0 reason to make an allied race out of it.
More cosmetics is now problem, but this thread was not made for it.
Make your own thread for more customisation options and I’ll happily support it.
No thanks, don’t we have enough elf races as it is? What a waste of a race slot. It’s like asking for a reskinned mount instead of a new one.
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