Go ahead prove to me how cloning belfs isn’t going to reduce belfs.
And by the way, asking for something incessantly does not give you a right to that something, especially when that something already belongs to the faction which you just don’t want to play.
Exactly and the core race should always have more than the allied race counter part.
We can all agree that Nightborne need new features, but that doesn’t mean they should get more than Night Elves or even get Night Elf features, because rightfully - it would annoy the Night Elf fanbase.
This argument isn’t fair on the blood elf fans, who have been more than considerate during this whole thing. They are right to stand up for the core elements of their race and to not have said features shared.
I’m certainly not. But I can ask for it, and explain why I think adding it is a good idea.
Blood elves are the same race as high elves. Of that we can agree. Blood elves are playable, and they’re a Horde race. Factions matter. High elves that don’t call themselves blood elves, are with the Alliance. They’ve been for a while. Since the rts, they’ve been a part of the Alliance theme, and as NPCs, they’ve stayed with that theme throughout World of Warcraft.
I’d love to share this with you, if it made sense lore wise. Meanwhile, there are other options that make more sense, that I’d be happy to give you. Defias humans, undead night elves, anti Moira Dark Iron dwarfs (my favourite option) or man’ari eredar are all plausible candidates for adding a bit of balance.
As a void elf player, I can very, very honestly say that it wouldn’t bother me at all.
I would like all the hair colours, mostly because not adding them doesn’t make sense from a lore perspective, when the skin colours are added. As for styles, I’d rather we’d get more Alliance races’ styles, and let the blood elves keep and sharpen their Horde identity, as the faction’s more opulent and classy race (together with the Nightborne).
I can’t. That’s not how proving works. You don’t prove the negative. You prove the positive. I can’t prove that Ion isn’t an alien lizard overlord. It doesn’t mean he is.
I can live with that. What options would you like?
We haven’t really been reading the same comments, have we?
Isnt that what horde would want, to see less belfs because about 50% of their playerbase are belfs.
But it’s not a good idea and Blizzard knows this, because Blizzard have seemingly become very impartial to this.
They know that the Blood Elf fanbase has been respectful and can see where we are drawing the line in “sharing.”
Purple eyes, tattoos for Magisters and Farstriders.
No you’ve backtracked on things you’ve said to me and then what you’ve said to Metaljaw.
One minute we’re saying “Well let’s have a feature or two from Humans, Night Elves, Dwarves etc” and then the next it’s “We should take all the features from Blood Elves, put them onto Void Elves, until they are “High Elf” enough.”
So your arguments are very inconsistent.
So you were just BS-ing me when you said there would be no impact on the belfs. Well at least we cleared that up. But hey, Ion might be a lizard so it’s ok. That the logic?
Oh you are doing the Horde a favor now? And here I thought you were just selfishly trying to clone belfs.
I agree 100%. You should have those.
What have I backtracked?
Not at all. I’m saying I can’t prove that something doesn’t exist. I can only point to the lack of evidence that supports that it does exist.
Read again. I’ve edited the comment.
If you can’t make a consistent argument, don’t lie to me and sugar coat your arguments. Tell me how you really feel and I’ll tell you how I really feel.
Because every time I see somebody like you…wanting to just end the blood elf race of any glaring significance, it only makes me stand further against you.
Yes - WE should. YOU shouldn’t. Void Elves shouldn’t - just like Void Elves shouldn’t get red hair, golden eyes, brown hair, dark blue hair as well as other staple Blood Elf features.
You shouldn’t get them.
Definitely aware. I’m personally less fussed about the factions. I’ve really wanted playable Arakkoa for a long time (as ridiculous as it might sound), so I’d just play whatever faction received them. The High Elves as a race have largely moved on from their Alliance connections, but I suppose I can understand the desire to play the ones on team blue, too.
Dark Iron Dwarfs on Horde side would be sick, not gonna lie. All these are good exchanges for people who play Horde side only - but we’re not going to receive them any time soon, whereas Void Elves already have some customisation that Blood Elves did, which is where some frustration is coming from I feel.
That’s cool, but I’m not sure all Void Elf fans would be cool with it, just as some Blood Elf players are fine with having their stuff shared while others are not. It’s tough to find that middle ground to appease everyone. Basically, we all just need a bit more stuff, lol, at risk of sounding entitled or ungrateful. Some of what we have is pretty cool IMO. Just a shame much of it gets covered up.
I think it’s a good idea to have the Alliance inspired stuff for Void Elves, that could work out pretty well and appeals to that Alliance High Elf fantasy, indeed. And I like the idea of Blood Elves and Nightborne inspiring each other in that regard.
Gotta admit, with these added tones (not just pale, literally every tone belf have) with the inevitable addition of natural colours for hair, it is pretty much looking like alliance will be having the option to play as an identical copy of a horde race.
Now discarding “Helf lore” “since WC2” because I know that, from an objectively factionist pov you have to acknowledge that stinks, that alliance can literally get all of the stuff a horde race can have, but they can’t in return.
The nightborne customisations are going to have to be godlike for this to fly. For anyone who doesn’t really care about the lore deeply (see: most of the game) this just looks like alliance getting horde stuff but not in return.
You can’t just dismiss that viewpoint out of hand. Velf customisation options are massive at this point. It has to be fair, lore be damned. You can’t entertain a dual faction game with the premise you treat them equally, and then give one faction race tons of customisations, even some to make them look like the other faction, but not do this in return for the other side and cite “lore” as your defence.
And no “historical treatment of alliance” is not a defence. Not liking options being given and thus saying “horde bias” is miles away from literally giving one faction way more options than another.
Let’s be clear, at time of this post nightborne have 3 skin tone options, velf have 7 base tones and are recieving another 14 or so. That’s seven times more options.
You cannot defend that with “lore”, it is objectively not fair. I say this as a predominantly alliance player.
I’m not saying remove the Helf options, no point doing that, but they absolutely must give horde equal customisations for their allied races. I mean trolls aren’t even getting green skin and this has been a request for as long as helf.
This isn’t something I’ve said. Please don’t misquote me to fit a hostile narrative.
I have.
I don’t.
Nor did I say we should.
Perhaps I’d be in favour of blue Alleria style paints on high and void elves, but I’d like more effort to be put into the blood elf styles. You need it more right now.
And you shouldn’t get any of the new or old features.
Why can’t you leave Blood elves alone for once. Leave the old and new features and stop begging for them.
And I haven’t misquoted you. You just can’t handle the truth.
Factions are a bit of a big deal to some of us. It’s the main reason I can’t stand to play blood elves.
Yeah, the majority of the race is in the Horde. The minority is in the Alliance. But they’re there, and they keep on having influence on the Alliance story, and it’d just be really nice to get to play them.
IKR! And a splinter faction that opposes Moira works massively as a plausible lore plot to lace them in the Horde.
I know. It’s a large part of what I do for a living. I’m a kindergarten teacher, and teaching toddlers to share is easier than gamers.
Agreed. Which is why I’ve argued in favour of not giving high elves all the blood elf options, such as jewellery, but also not all hair styles, and rather give them styles from other Alliance races.
I’d love for you to get more stuff. More races, more options. But I’d also really, really love to play as a high elf, with all that entails. Which is why I’ve made some of the suggestions I have, in order to make this seem less like a cloning.
As I’ve been saying. Except of course from…
… features that are genetically tied to the race, such as hair and skin colours.
You have.
Where did I say “We should take all the features from Blood Elves, put them onto Void Elves, until they are “High Elf” enough.”?
You fanatics won’t stop until you’ve got everything “Blood Elf.”
You are so selfish and hate on the very community that has been very patient and is drawing the line now where they only want to keep the core features for themselves. Treating us like fools and expecting us to just sit quietly and let you ruin the identity of the Blood Elves.
I hope you get nothing.
But they are core Blood Elf features. You don’t deserve them and I Blizzard shouldn’t give them to you.
Anyway - your being re-blocked again because I just don’t like you at all. I hated you then and I still do now, so don’t bother replying to this.
I’ve chosen to flag your bitter response as inappropriate. I have no hate towards the community or towards blood elves as a race. I’ve stated that there are indeed blood elven features I would rather didn’t get transferred to high or void elves. I don’t treat anyone as fools, and I’m being a part of a community, desiring an optimal playing experience. In my eyes, you hoping we get nothing is a far more selfish approach.
Thank you for your contribution in keeping this topic active and on top of the lists. I will, however, not thank you for the contents of your contributions, which are nothing short of bitter and entitled. You should take a few lessons from the toddlers I work with, when it comes to politeness, sharing and being factual.
Whatever’s!
Blood Elf features, old and new, stay with Blood Elves. Learn it.
The new skin tones say something else.
What evidence is that? Actually lemme make it real simple for you cause maybe you just don’t understand as opposed to pretending you don’t understand.
The Belfs being cloned will result in the loss of their uniqueness. That is not an opinion, that is a fact. Notice how that fact underlines a loss. See how it works?
Itw not me who wants more, as said I’m an alliance player mostly, and MGs are my gig. I’m happy to hear we may be getting a new metal Colour or a hand option or two, I’m pretty easily satisfied comparatively.
I’m just trying to think, if I were a passionate horde player and didn’t embrace the lore as much as I do, how would I see this? It would seem like some serious favouritism to me. Which is why I suggested the compromise is actually listening to what horde players have been asking for, like green troll skills, or giving nightborne a makeover (I don’t recall anyone asking for new earrings), which have yet to be revealed.
Like, as an alliance player, you have to accept blizzard are doing alliance a solid here, because they’re focusing very closely on an alliance ask, and they’re running with it. Whilst this doesn’t meant horde will get nothing, I think it would pay to be a bit more mindful of looking at how they may see it.
Their perspective is blizzard focusing very hard on alliance Velf options, way harder than any other AR, and they see players go “it’s not good enough so it doesn’t count, but we’ll take it anyway. What else you got?.” Just be aware of how that might look to someone not invested in the Helf fight on the opposite faction.
People are entitled to their wants, I’m not arguing they’re not, I just think it shouldn’t be that difficult to understand why some horde players are a bit spikey about this, and it can’t just be handwaved away as “yo jelly Bois” or whatever.
In any other team activity, if the opposite team was being offered way more options than you from the judges, including some you were told were specific to your team, and not only that - this team is being very picky about the judges copious offers (whilst you’re getting very few from them yourself) you would rightfully be a bit peeved. You would understand why someone in this situation would be peeved.
This is sort of how the situation looks for players who don’t know or care for the lore. You can’t dismiss their views because embracing the lore isn’t a requirement to playing the game.
So even if you disagree, at least try to understand I guess.