Now why would the High Elves (who have become known as the Blood Elves now) want to join the Alliance when Night Elves are a part of that faction?
Night Elves and High/Blood Elves get on well enough, actually. Since High Elves that didn't change their name and are not affilated with the Horde never ruined their relations with Night Elves, they still do.
Source: Warcraft 3, Night Elf Campaign: Maiev, Tyrande and Kael greet each other with respect, travel together and then Tyrande is willing to give her life to let the group of High Elves escape from the Scourge. And when the bridge collapses, Kael wants to save her.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y4ONaPnh5T4
18/05/2018 01:17Posted by
Tìtus Do you really think that is it though? After Theramore? And the fact that even Umbric the void elf is spouting his support for the Alliance and it's purpose, not because Alleria let them in, but because Umbric truly belives the Horde is a blight apon the world after recent events.
Umbric did not leave the Blood Elves and the Horde because he thought the Horde was a blight upon the world. He left because Lor'themar exiled him and his band and didn't have anywhere else to go.
Where do you get your information?
http://www.wowhead.com/news=284450/broadcast-text-for-26624-yrel-lilian-voss-drust-magic-spoilers#void-elves :
My followers and I felt no loyalty to the Horde. When Grand Magister Rommath forbade our Void research, we did not hesitate to break away and follow our own path.
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We do not stand with the Alliance out of convenience. Nor is it a mere gesture of thanks to Alleria.
Our ordeal has taught us the importance of great powers being in the right hands. We could not allow the Horde to know the things we know, or to use us as a weapon in their schemes.
We fight for the Alliance because we believe in its values. And one day, I pray we will bring all of Silvermoon back into the fold.
18/05/2018 01:17Posted by
Tìtus And I doubt the High Elves of Quel'danil would wanna go join the Horde after living with the Wildhammer dwarves and draenei and so on for so long.
If anything they'd be the most likely to return. They're Farstriders, or rather, they -were- Farstriders before the Exile, and right now, there is zero difference between them and the Blood Elf Farstriders. They both have the same lifestyle, culture, reverence for nature. Only difference is the eye colour, which is now fading, and political allegiance.
And the fact that they were constantly attacked and assaulted by the Horde for the past 15+ years.
High Elves are creatures of the light, they don't want to mess with the void and so it makes sense that there will be a rift between those who choose to embrace it and those who refuse it. High Elves will want to distance themselves from Void Elves.
So, do you mean that High Elves should be on the faction where the Lightforged Draenei are? Good point.
My followers and I felt no loyalty to the Horde. When Grand Magister Rommath forbade our Void research, we did not hesitate to break away and follow our own path.
See I'm hearing "I will tell my interlocutor what they want to hear, that plus when I was told I couldn't poke the bad thing, I ran away, despite the fact they kicked me out first"
That boy needs more consistency in his writing.
And the fact that they were constantly attacked and assaulted by the Horde for the past 15+ years.
Because they are hostile mobs. They attack you as a Horde character too as well. I'm talking lore-wise. Lore-wise they are more similar to a part of the Horde, than Alliance (The Farstriders). Read the rest of what I wrote, I don't think they -will- jump ship, but they are more likely to than say, the Silver Covenant.
So, do you mean that High Elves should be on the faction where the Lightforged Draenei are? Good point.
That is emphatically not what they said. They talked of Void and Light. Logically, the Lightforged Draenei should -hate- the Void Elves also. Don't bring the Light into it, as it seems, right now, that whether the Light is Good or Bad, the Blood Elves are more Pious than the High Elves. They reject the Void, the Alliance embraces it. I'm not getting into the Right or Wrong of that, I'm just saying it is a very odd stance the Alliance has taken.
Void Elves are super cool but should be a completely separate thing to High Elves.
Leo made some good points before about how they can intertwining stories though.
That would be cool.
Arrogant Ion only cares about his L33T buddies and Mythic content, we wont get content unless he is removed and replaced. High Elves or your sub numbers will plummet!
Arrogant Ion only cares about his L33T buddies and Mythic content, we wont get content unless he is removed and replaced. High Elves or your sub numbers will plummet!
Yes cause it wasn't clearly a blizzard decision AND THE STORY DEPARTMENT that decided on the playable high elves.
If you blame Ion the guy that decides mechanics, raids and how the engine works or how it can be improved, for the story (which he has no decision in unless it can't be made INSIDE THE GAME DUE TO TECHNICAL REASONS) you are so lost...
He just read the script that has been given to him by the story department... This topic has been discussed by the company clearly and it was their decision as a company to not make high elves playable.
But yes blame Ion for something clearly hasn't been his sole decision. At most he had one vote in the council/meeting that voted for or against high elves.
Now take a hike and understand how this story and real life work...
18/05/2018 15:28Posted by
Dudas Arrogant Ion only cares about his L33T buddies and Mythic content, we wont get content unless he is removed and replaced. High Elves or your sub numbers will plummet!
Yes cause it wasn't clearly a blizzard decision AND THE STORY DEPARTMENT that decided on the playable high elves.
If you blame Ion the guy that decides mechanics, raids and how the engine works or how it can be improved, for the story (which he has no decision in unless it can't be made INSIDE THE GAME DUE TO TECHNICAL REASONS) you are so lost...
He just read the script that has been given to him by the story department... This topic has been discussed by the company clearly and it was their decision as a company to not make high elves playable.
But yes blame Ion for something clearly hasn't been his sole decision. At most he had one vote in the council/meeting that voted for or against high elves.
Now take a hike and understand how this story and real life work...
right you've made some weird points hes a lead game designer Ion’s primary responsibilities include contributing to the overall vision of the game and overseeing the creation of the game’s dungeon and raid content, you've just randomly stated he read a Script from the Story Development team.... Where si your proof of that.... Also.... they have opened the forum post size for high elves.. They haven't even made a decision if high elves are happening or not, I'm all for constructive counter points but you've literally wrote a paragraph that has no back or any logical sense.. if they didn't want high elves they would have created a blog post about it not happening and set it in stone... You clearly know nothing of game development and I would suggest you not make comments on it unless you've either studied it or experience within it, Also you keep saying the story department made the decision, Thats not strictly true because story and be written you clearly have no idea what you're talking about and it was clearly stated years back blood elves were part of the horde based on the imbalance due to the alliance obtaining space goats but now with the allied system and the better systems they use they can push out new races and have them equally distributed and back then it was a lot harder to create models, I know this as Its what I've studied in, Using lore as a counter argument is simply stupid because lore can be written to tailor them into the alliance saying because inthe past they had hardships doesn't mean they can't have a treaty now.
Look at real life when Germany was at war with everyone now there Allies within the EU so your points on lore makes no sense at all because lore develops and expands as a whole.
18/05/2018 15:34Posted by
Crðw 18/05/2018 15:28Posted by
Dudas ...
Yes cause it wasn't clearly a blizzard decision AND THE STORY DEPARTMENT that decided on the playable high elves.
If you blame Ion the guy that decides mechanics, raids and how the engine works or how it can be improved, for the story (which he has no decision in unless it can't be made INSIDE THE GAME DUE TO TECHNICAL REASONS) you are so lost...
He just read the script that has been given to him by the story department... This topic has been discussed by the company clearly and it was their decision as a company to not make high elves playable.
But yes blame Ion for something clearly hasn't been his sole decision. At most he had one vote in the council/meeting that voted for or against high elves.
Now take a hike and understand how this story and real life work...
right you've made some weird points hes a lead game designer Ion’s primary responsibilities include contributing to the overall vision of the game and overseeing the creation of the game’s dungeon and raid content, you've just randomly stated he read a Script from the Story Development team.... Where si your proof of that.... Also.... they have opened the forum post size for high elves.. They haven't even made a decision if high elves are happening or not, I'm all for constructive counter points but you've literally wrote a paragraph that has no back or any logical sense.. if they didn't want high elves they would have created a blog post about it not happening and set it in stone... You clearly know nothing of game development and I would suggest you not make comments on it unless you've either studied it or experience within it, Also you keep saying the story department made the decision, Thats not strictly true because story and be written you clearly have no idea what you're talking about and it was clearly stated years back blood elves were part of the horde based on the imbalance due to the alliance obtaining space goats
They don't want high elves.
They literally told people to roll horde if they want to play that type of elf.
There is no reason to pretend that since there was no "its never going to happen" said that it was not clear that we were told its not going to happen.
They just want to keep doors open for if they change their minds in the future.
If you want to try and change their mind then more power to you.
Thats what these threads are for.
But being told to roll horde if you want a high elf was a pretty strong no for the time being at least.
And in no way do they owe a long post saying it wont happen.
They don't need to write that at all.
And they would not write that.
This thread is to change their mind and have fun along the way.
Thats it really.
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right you've made some weird points hes a lead game designer Ion’s primary responsibilities include contributing to the overall vision of the game and overseeing the creation of the game’s dungeon and raid content, you've just randomly stated he read a Script from the Story Development team.... Where si your proof of that.... Also.... they have opened the forum post size for high elves.. They haven't even made a decision if high elves are happening or not, I'm all for constructive counter points but you've literally wrote a paragraph that has no back or any logical sense.. if they didn't want high elves they would have created a blog post about it not happening and set it in stone... You clearly know nothing of game development and I would suggest you not make comments on it unless you've either studied it or experience within it, Also you keep saying the story department made the decision, Thats not strictly true because story and be written you clearly have no idea what you're talking about and it was clearly stated years back blood elves were part of the horde based on the imbalance due to the alliance obtaining space goats
They don't want high elves.
They literally told people to roll horde if they want to play that type of elf.
There is no reason to pretend that since there was no "its never going to happen" said that it was not clear that we were told its not going to happen.
They just want to keep doors open for if they change their minds in the future.
If you want to try and change their mind then more power to you.
Thats what these threads are for.
But being told to roll horde if you want a high elf was a pretty strong no for the time being at least.
And in no way do they owe a long post saying it wont happen.
They don't need to write that at all.
And they would not write that.
This thread is to change their mind and have fun along the way.
Thats it really.
You seem to forget saying that his word is law is oxymoron based on the fact hes been well known for making baseless responses such as vanilla his reply regarding high elves is as baseless as me saying I'm a god because in the end he is not the head of the company who finalises the choices of the game he is merely one of several unless you've randomly decided he is the CEO who overall does the final decision on the game which is not the case, I'm not trying to offend so don't take anything I say the wrong way I'm merely trying to reiterate that you can't say there not happening due to one persons response out of a entire company.
Also regarding the tattoos thing it makes sense to ive them something else every single allied race has a extra just like if we gave you undead human nathanos model I'd expect you to get something more than just the base model, telling people that is the problem is just sheer immaturity.
Judge me if you want but i come here now and then Just to read some comments since they make me smile or laugh
18/05/2018 15:41Posted by
Moritz ...
They don't want high elves.
They literally told people to roll horde if they want to play that type of elf.
There is no reason to pretend that since there was no "its never going to happen" said that it was not clear that we were told its not going to happen.
They just want to keep doors open for if they change their minds in the future.
If you want to try and change their mind then more power to you.
Thats what these threads are for.
But being told to roll horde if you want a high elf was a pretty strong no for the time being at least.
And in no way do they owe a long post saying it wont happen.
They don't need to write that at all.
And they would not write that.
This thread is to change their mind and have fun along the way.
Thats it really.
You seem to forget saying that his word is law is oxymoron based on the fact hes been well known for making baseless responses such as vanilla his reply regarding high elves is as baseless as me saying I'm a god because in the end he is not the head of the company who finalises the choices of the game he is merely one of several unless you've randomly decided he is the CEO who overall does the final decision on the game which is not the case.
So nothing that Blizzard says is worth listening to unless the CEO says it?
I don't mean to be rude but that just strikes me as serious denial that a no was given.
A no WAS given. And it was meant.
But that does not mean minds can't be changed.
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You seem to forget saying that his word is law is oxymoron based on the fact hes been well known for making baseless responses such as vanilla his reply regarding high elves is as baseless as me saying I'm a god because in the end he is not the head of the company who finalises the choices of the game he is merely one of several unless you've randomly decided he is the CEO who overall does the final decision on the game which is not the case.
So nothing that Blizzard says is worth listening to unless the CEO says it?
I don't mean to be rude but that just strikes me as serious denial that a no was given.
A no WAS given. And it was meant. But that does not mean minds can't be changed.
How is that Denial? He said no in a manner that was clearly not serious also you're clearly holding onto strings when if you actually read up on how a company works EVERYTHING goes through a system he is not the person who has the end say he may not want them but its not his decision to make that so no so no don't worry Its no a strike of denial its a process of critical thinking in a professional manner within the game industry and I'd suggest you read up on that process to have better insight on it also, I would also suggest you stop making random quotes I've not even stated that's just bad discussion you don't need to fill in parts fo your paragraph with quotes I've not even stated.
EDIT: I also stated the only worthwhile information given is that of a blog input stating the hard cold truth if one of the many dozen developers says no is not a case to suggest there not coming because funny enough the Brown orcs had the same situation back in TBC
18/05/2018 15:50Posted by
Crðw ...
So nothing that Blizzard says is worth listening to unless the CEO says it?
I don't mean to be rude but that just strikes me as serious denial that a no was given.
A no WAS given. And it was meant. But that does not mean minds can't be changed.
How is that Denial? He said no in a manner that was clearly not serious also you're clearly holding onto strings when if you actually read up on how a company works EVERYTHING goes through a system he is not the person who has the end say he may not want them but its not his decision to make that so no so no don't worry Its no a strike of denial its a process of critical thinking in a professional manner within the game industry and I'd suggest you read up on that process to have better insight on it also, I would also suggest you stop making random quotes I've not even stated that's just bad discussion you don't need to fill in parts fo your paragraph with quotes I've not even stated.
So you mean to tell me you genuinely think he went into that question with no insight whatsoever about what the company stance was on the matter?
Ion quote was clear
"So, Blood Elves kind of are High Elves with different eye colors and backstory in terms of their relationship to magic in the Sunwell. But if you want to be a fair-skinned, light, blonde-haired, tall, majestic, elf...that is a Blood Elf.
Giving that race directly to the Alliance would have blurred a lot of the lines between the two factions, but also there isn't a clear example of who or what High Elves are as a larger group which remains in Azeroth. There's a couple...we just met Alleria again...but they're not out there in the same way. When we add an Allied Race, there's a desire to have things be even more distinct especially between the two factions with the faction conflict being so prominent. And so, the Void Elf angle, as it tied into the story of Argus, the powers of Alleria awakened and was able to train others to harness, was able to give something that felt a bit like a Blood Elf but had a unique flavor of its own to the Alliance.
That said, obviously I understand you would love Alliance elves...you're an Alliance player, and want to be a fair-skinned, light-haired, blue-eyed elf. Sorry? The Horde is there and waiting for you. Eye color is not quite the same but maybe contact lenses in the future, you never know? Anything is possible in the future, but no plans in the near-term to add High Elves as an Allied Race."
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How is that Denial? He said no in a manner that was clearly not serious also you're clearly holding onto strings when if you actually read up on how a company works EVERYTHING goes through a system he is not the person who has the end say he may not want them but its not his decision to make that so no so no don't worry Its no a strike of denial its a process of critical thinking in a professional manner within the game industry and I'd suggest you read up on that process to have better insight on it also, I would also suggest you stop making random quotes I've not even stated that's just bad discussion you don't need to fill in parts fo your paragraph with quotes I've not even stated.
So you mean to tell me you genuinely think he went into that question with no insight whatsoever about what the company stance was on the matter?
Being that he laughed and never gave a professional deep insight into a well saute discussion by thousands as he literally took 5 seconds to even discuss that question does make me think that yes and the fact he has done the exact same about Vanilla servers, If you can't see or grasp the understanding why people are not accepting that as a full blown straight answer you're beyond being able to convince.
18/05/2018 15:52Posted by
Moritz So you mean to tell me you genuinely think he went into that question with no insight whatsoever about what the company stance was on the matter?
Welcome to high elf "fans". Logic doesn't work with them. They clearly haven't worked in a company in their life. They think Ion is Stalin or something =))
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Being that he laughed and never gave a professional deep insight into a well saute discussion by thousands as he literally took 5 seconds to even discuss that question does make me think that yes and the fact he has done the exact same about Vanilla servers, If you can't see or grasp the understanding why people are not accepting that as a full blown straight answer you're beyond being able to convince.
As are you.
Lets move on.
Nice to see you had little to add to the points I made thanks for clarifying you had nothing of interest to state bar using a childish reply.
18/05/2018 16:01Posted by
Crðw ...
As are you.
Lets move on.
Nice to see you had little to add to the points I made thanks for clarifying you had nothing of interest to state bar using a childish reply.
Wait, my reply is childish for agreeing that we both think eachother has no idea what they are talking about and so there is no changing each others minds?
I said lets move on because of that.
Who cares if he gave a non professional answer in a casual Q&A.
He's the lead dev and the only one we get answers from outside of official announcements on their website.
His reply is the best you can expect.
Now I know you don't agree with me.
And I won't agree with you.
So fine call me childish for saying lets drop it.
18/05/2018 16:01Posted by
Crðw Nice to see you had little to add to the points I made thanks for clarifying you had nothing of interest to state bar using a childish reply.
You understand you are part of the reason why this meme is real right??
https://imgur.com/68dRRsU
Read the other posts. We have both explained you clearly how that decision was made.
But it's easier to shoot the messenger in diplomacy and blame him for the King's decision...