Quel'dorei High Elves as an Alliance allied race

18/05/2018 16:08Posted by Dudas
18/05/2018 16:01Posted by Crðw
Nice to see you had little to add to the points I made thanks for clarifying you had nothing of interest to state bar using a childish reply.


You understand you are part of the reason why this meme is real right??
https://imgur.com/68dRRsU

Read the other posts. We have both explained you clearly how that decision was made.

But it's easier to shoot the messenger in diplomacy and blame him for the King's decision...

Haha that meme is pretty funny XD
Read what you wrote again, you've already answered yourself there. Controlling herself =/= controlling void.


How is she not controlling the void when it's the sunwell reacting to it. If anything, the Sunwell is the unstable one. Light energy clashed with void energy, no master of either can change that.

Void corruption doesn't happen overnight, it starts as faint whispers and gets more and more dire and maddening slowly over time. We've seen enough examples of this since the start of WoW. As for cliches, since when Blizzard cares about having cliches in their story?


They care when that cliche makes a playable race unplayable... If the void elves were likely to go mad then we wouldn't be able to play them, thats whyw e can't play red orcs either.

/facepalm Of course we'll never see that happen due to gameplay reasons
the same reason why we don't see a player controlled forsaken completely rot away or a player controlled shadow priest lose their sanity beyond any return.


So you think void elves will all go insane and basically be enemies we should kill, but still be playable?
And the player forsaken is rotting, but he'll never go away because they replace their bodyparts frequently.
And yes, the player shadow priest literally has an ability called "surrender to madness" where they kill themselves. But the player is "immortal" and all that undefined nonsense.

Again, that was the first horde that came through the dark portal, not todays horde that was founded by Thrall. They stayed in alliance because Kirin Tor had already started feeding her anti-Blood Elf propaganda to Vereesa back then.


No, this is in playable time. In TBC the sunwell got cleansed, last patch. That is what I'm talking about, the blood elves were in the current Horde under Thrall in TBC, not the first Horde. If the high elves didn't have an issue with the Horde, they would have gone back to Silvermoon, yet wrath came and they were more Alliance than ever before.
Even if it was all about "anti blood elf propaganda" that is still a very inetresting story to follow.

Theramore this, Theramore that. Theramore bombing has been ordered by the bloodcrazed warmonger called Garrosh.


Yes, the Horde.

No single nation under the horde banners had the luxury refuse Garrosh's orders. Had Lor'themar defied the warchief, Garrosh would've rallied the rest of the horde to Silvermoon and wouldn't even take any prisoners.


If Lor'themar has just joiend the Alliance then Garrosh couldn't have done that. Plus do you think the other races would rally under Garrosh when he tells them "Lets kill the blood elves for not wanting to make a bomb to kill thousands of innocent people"
Yeah, I'm sure the Tauren would get pissed, and Vol'jin had already threantend to kill Garrosh so he wouldn't follow any orders. Sylvanas would probably just remain in the shadows not doing jack. Basically only the orcs and goblins would follow Garrosh still.

Stop picking quotes as you see fit, I never called High Elves bloodthirsty maniacs. I've said it for Silver Covenant, which is a very small portion of he High Elven population, and I'm still behind my words.


They have exactly the same reasons as I listed. The high elves in general or the Silver Covenant specifically. The SIlver Covenant has the most reason because they were the most invested personally.
And if the Silver Covenant is a very small part of the High Elven population then that nullifies the whole argument that high elves are too few, because the Silver Covenant is a full army, and is described as such, while the void elves are just described as a crack team. It is a sidenote but I felt like mentioning it since it's a common argument.

18/05/2018 10:42Posted by Feldaril
Lor'themar was considering the idea because what Garrosh had done was the last straw. Ironically, Jaina is the only one you have to blame for not having playable High Elves on the alliance.


No, jaina is to blame for not having playable blood elves. You didn't see any high elves try to stop her from cleaning out Dalaran.

Thing is though, bar a few Blood Elves who -made- the Mana bomb, there was no Blood Elf involvement in that.


Remember that it is a war, they only sit with information based around what side they're on. When they see blood elves dropping a mana bomb I doubt they're going to use their godlike video game powers to know and realize the whole picture, meaning they will hold them accountable.

I wouldn't necessarily regard the personal thoughts of someone who studied from the notes of the Scourge Magician who led to the death of 90% of their race as a good barometer of judgment.


Then we trust Sylvanas in the slightest?

Except that is -not- what happened. For a start, lets say it again... The Quel'dorei Exile had -zero- to do with Fel.


Thats part of the point I was making. I was responding to a point suggesting that since the fel is gone the high elves have no reason to not return to Silvermoon or something like that.

The High Elves did not 'give up their homeland to fight the Horde'


They did in TBC yeah.

The Exile was because they refused to take sustenance from living creatures after the Sunwell was defiled.


I know, but in not returning when they could, they gave it up, and that was because of the Horde.
They left when it was not a part of a faction, and they didn't return when their problem was fixed because it was a part of the Horde. Why els wouldn't they just return afetr TBC? According to Lor'themar they're more that welcome to.

They're Farstriders, or rather, they -were- Farstriders before the Exile, and right now, there is zero difference between them and the Blood Elf Farstriders. They both have the same lifestyle, culture, reverence for nature.


They ife in different lands, with different people, under different rules. We don't know about the Quel'danil lifestyle or detailed culture, or their reverence for nature in any actual detail. What we do know according to the new book is that the Blood Elves society, meaning all of them, is bitter, they don't want to celebrate anything anymore, even though they did before quite often. We have never heard the high elves being described as "bitter", yet not steaming fresh lore calls blood elves "as bitter as the forsaken".
There has clearly been a cultural shift. So if high elves are exactly like they were 11 years ago, then they would still be different than the blood elves on a cultural level. They just need to actually write it since we don't have anything new other than a few lines in game, and those few lines also go againstt he idea of blood elves and high elves being culturally identical.

Its not inconceivable they would return, given that Farstriders in general, were the least affected by the upheavals following the Sunwell's fall.


If they wanted to they would have done so in TBC when everything was pretty much great by the end of it. Now even forsaken don't want to be in the Horde, and blood elves are seen as bitter even after defeating the Legion. Unless blizzard write high elves as just as bitter, I don't think they would even fit in if they returned to Silvermoon.

18/05/2018 13:10Posted by Brigante
Welp, he knows who he can blame for it not having rejoined the Alliance. That would be Jaina and Vereesa, and guess what, he just joined their side.


Blame them for punishing a war crime? These people are not gods looking in at the lore like the player does, they don't know the pieces to the puzzle.

18/05/2018 13:10Posted by Brigante
Seriously, that guy is not a good person to base an argument on, his writing is all over the place


The fact that his writing is way too fast phase makes me think hes even more to be trusted. We know blizzard want him and the void elves to feel like a proper part of the Alliance. They're rushing them with little time to actually grow just to that they can get to the part of their story they actually want them for, thats what I'm thinking.
In a real world senario I wouldn't trust him either, but he is a permanent addition to the faction, which emans he can't really be anything but genuine as of yet.

I just realized I'm multible pages behind, but since these were directed at me I think I should answer them anyway even though someone elf might already have. This is my take atleast.
18/05/2018 13:25Posted by Strvoje
So true. High Elves are simply Blood Elves with Blue Eyes. But oh no, they want HE models with tattoos and war paint and additional 15 features that other races don't have, but should have.


The majority of allied races have tats/warpaint/runes. And the High elves have had it in the lore.
You just don't think they should have it because you think that means blood elves won't have it for some reason.
People are literally just asking for high elves. All the extra stuff is suggestions made in conversation with people saying "they're too simular".
Giving arbitrary armyments like that is what makes people come up with new ideas. Why exactly couldn't high elves be exact copies of blood elves but just with blue eyes and maybe some different hair styles?
It's an arbitrary rule. Faction lines are already a joke, and they were mixed the day the Horde got blood elves, then again when they got nightborn, and don't forget the pandaren. The faction lines getting "blurred" is nonsense. This is a game, it wouldn't harm anything.
I find the reason "they never exactly said no to High Elves yada yada yada" kinda funny. They didn't exactly tell you all to NOT send me all your gold either, so get to the mail boxes.
18/05/2018 15:59Posted by Dudas
18/05/2018 15:52Posted by Moritz
So you mean to tell me you genuinely think he went into that question with no insight whatsoever about what the company stance was on the matter?


Welcome to high elf "fans". Logic doesn't work with them. They clearly haven't worked in a company in their life. They think Ion is Stalin or something =))


I don't even want to think about what your real life opinion of stuff is. You show that you're very prone to generalizing. "They think this" and "They haven't ever done this". Why is that okay to do with a massive group of people you disagree with in a game, but doing it in real life is racist or bigoted?

Whats worse is you base it all on a troll that isn't even on a real account.
A conspiracy is forming. Are you "Freedom" playing the role of "the perfect strawman" so that you can base alot of arguments/jokes/quotes on him?

High elf fans got called a bunch of autists earlier, should we say that everyone that disagree with high elves are just toxic?
18/05/2018 16:41Posted by Athiara
I find the reason "they never exactly said no to High Elves yada yada yada" kinda funny. They didn't exactly tell you all to NOT send me all your gold either, so get to the mail boxes.


They also said they didn't have any plans for new customization option for existing races. Two days later the golden eyes for blood elves are datamined.
To high elves Ion said "Everything is possible in the future, but no plans for the near term."
That is what he ended off on. Your gold comparrison just doesn't work.
I don't even want to think about what your real life opinion of stuff is. You show that you're very prone to generalizing. "They think this" and "They haven't ever done this". Why is that okay to do with a massive group of people you disagree with in a game, but doing it in real life is racist or bigoted?

Whats worse is you base it all on a troll that isn't even on a real account.
A conspiracy is forming. Are you "Freedom" playing the role of "the perfect strawman" so that you can base alot of arguments on him?

High elf fans got called a bunch of autists earlier, should we say that everyone that disagree with high elves are just toxic?


Cause based on my discussions with plenty of "fans" on this topic and on the other threads also I have come to the conclusion that most of you are a bunch of crybabies that ask for retcons and ignore everything that has been written for high elves before.

Most of you want Legolas fantasies (as if night elf hunters are not better suited for this kind of roleplay anyway).

Many of you want blood elves with blue eyes and nothing else.

And after they gave you void elves as a compromise that already damaged blood elves reputation as united for the good of the lands after all they have suffered and sacrificed to regain their stability and restore their civilization, it's still not enough.

Regarding the whole high elves are not blood elves watch this and analyze his words. https://youtu.be/y4ONaPnh5T4?t=3m
18/05/2018 16:49Posted by Tìtus
18/05/2018 16:41Posted by Athiara
I find the reason "they never exactly said no to High Elves yada yada yada" kinda funny. They didn't exactly tell you all to NOT send me all your gold either, so get to the mail boxes.


They also said they didn't have any plans for new customization option for existing races. Two days later the golden eyes for blood elves are datamined.
To high elves Ion said "Everything is possible in the future, but no plans for the near term."
That is what he ended off on. Your gold comparrison just doesn't work.


Like Ion said, "Everything is possible in the future... ". I can wait a few days for my gold.
18/05/2018 16:58Posted by Dudas
I have come to the conclusion that most of you are a bunch of crybabies


Rude and toxic as always. I don't know why I expected you to change Dudas.

That was stupid of me.
18/05/2018 17:05Posted by Alyssa
18/05/2018 16:58Posted by Dudas
I have come to the conclusion that most of you are a bunch of crybabies


Rude and toxic as always. I don't know why I expected you to change Dudas.

That was stupid of me.

Dudas?
Not be rude?
Never gonna happen
18/05/2018 17:05Posted by Alyssa
18/05/2018 16:58Posted by Dudas
I have come to the conclusion that most of you are a bunch of crybabies


Rude and toxic as always. I don't know why I expected you to change Dudas.

That was stupid of me.


My deepest apologies but no one can reason with fanatics properly...
The worst part is when they don't realize they are fanatics.

And that will be my opinion of the majority until proven wrong. We are talking masses here not you or I as an individual.

People that are anti High elf use lore, story and logic to debate.

People that are pro high elves use "DO IT CAUSE I WANT IT AND CAUSE VEREEESA IS STILL ALIVE REEEEEEEEEE AND BLUE EYES AND ALLIANCE HUE HUE HUE BLOOD ELVES ARE EVULUL".

90% of these "fans" have no idea who Anasterian was in the first place...
18/05/2018 17:13Posted by Dudas
18/05/2018 17:05Posted by Alyssa
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Rude and toxic as always. I don't know why I expected you to change Dudas.

That was stupid of me.


My deepest apologies but no one can reason with fanatics properly...
The worst part is when they don't realize they are fanatics.

And that will be my opinion of the majority until proven wrong. We are talking masses here not you or I as an individual.

People that are anti High elf use lore, story and logic to debate.

People that are pro high elves use "DO IT CAUSE I WANT IT AND CAUSE VEREEESA IS STILL ALIVE REEEEEEEEEE AND BLUE EYES AND ALLIANCE HUE HUE HUE BLOOD ELVES ARE EVULUL".

90% of these "fans" have no idea who Anasterian was in the first place...

Yes pro high elf people do it because they want the pretty elf.
But they have more lore for it than there is lore against.
lore says theyre almost all gone.
Lore says they have done so much stuff in nearly every expansion.
Void elves are few in number and are playable.
Lore can not be a reason against it.
18/05/2018 17:13Posted by Dudas
People that are anti High elf use lore, story and logic to debate.

People that are pro high elves use "DO IT CAUSE I WANT IT AND CAUSE VEREEESA IS STILL ALIVE REEEEEEEEEE AND BLUE EYES AND ALLIANCE HUE HUE HUE BLOOD ELVES ARE EVULUL".


Generalizations are rarely accurate.

I've seen people from both sides use nothing but insults and "no you" as arguments for their case.
18/05/2018 17:18Posted by Moritz

Yes pro high elf people do it because they want the pretty elf.
But they have more lore for it than there is lore against.
lore says theyre almost all gone.
Lore says they have done so much stuff in nearly every expansion.
Void elves are few in number and are playable.
Lore can not be a reason against it.


Night elves and void elves are ugly elves? Oh they are not pretty enough cause they are not blood elves with blue eyes?....

Regarding the lore part sorry to say but they have suffered also:

A number of high elves were among the casualties in the attack on Theramore Isle. Despite the involvement of Vol'jin, the Darkspear tribe, and the blood elves in the attack, it is unknown how this affected their relationship with these races.

The elves at Quel'Lithien Lodge have taken a turn for the worse, after Ranger Lord Hawkspear discovered a source of seductive energy that mysteriously turned the elves at the lodge into Wretched.

So lorewise:

With the destruction of both Theramore and Quel'Lithien (along with the de-canonization of the RPG sourcebooks), the bulk of the remaining high elf population appears to be bound to the Kirin Tor's Silver Covenant, Outland's Allerian Stronghold, and Hinterlands' Quel'Danil Lodge.

So it's literally 3 bases with very few left of them... It's not like they had legions in those bases... The few high elves have turned even fewer through the course of WOW... Still waiting for the source where they have reproduced like insanity...

According to Vereesa, high elves seldom give birth and very rarely give birth to twins. -The Well of Eternity

So until proven otherwise these are legit reasons why they are going extinct imo.
Again maybe they should portray high elf casualties better ingame. People here think that if a bunch of high elves go to war they are not going to die or suffer injuries... They are not invulnerable and they haven't been shown as replenishing their numbers in any way so far. They have lost more than they have gained during WOW years.

And void elves have been presented as gaining followers from both blood elves and the remaning high elves getting converted. So at least their numbers increase in a steady way for now and mostly from the blood elven part cause they are the majority. This is what we get for the compromise to make a race playable on the other side. It's not perfect but it's something plausible that can be developed further and something they can work with. And it's way more than high elves have at the moment.
18/05/2018 16:58Posted by Dudas
Cause based on my discussions with plenty of "fans" on this topic and on the other threads also I have come to the conclusion that most of you are a bunch of crybabies that ask for retcons and ignore everything that has been written for high elves before.


And I have a different experience. When you review your biases, how much of what you're saying is really true?

18/05/2018 16:58Posted by Dudas
Most of you want Legolas fantasies (as if night elf hunters are not better suited for this kind of roleplay anyway).


I don't want that at all. I'm not a big fan of the whole "wood elf" fantasy in general. My thematic bias comes from the Warhammer High Elves which is what the warcraft high elves are based on and tastefully havily inspired by in almost every way.
I just want warcraft high elves, and i don't like wood elves. So what you're saying doesn't apply to me, so why do you speak like it's some huge thing in the community?

18/05/2018 16:58Posted by Dudas
Many of you want blood elves with blue eyes and nothing else.


On a viasl basis yeah, alot of us do want that. Alot of us are also open to artistic liberties to please those who says it's a bad thing to want something so visually simular to blood elves. But their visuals is were the simularities end, and we can see that even though blizzard hasn't written anything high elf in ages.
Thats a pretty clear destinction.
The rule that they have to look different from blood elves is arbitrary.

18/05/2018 17:13Posted by Dudas
People that are pro high elves use "DO IT CAUSE I WANT IT AND CAUSE VEREEESA IS STILL ALIVE REEEEEEEEEE AND BLUE EYES AND ALLIANCE HUE HUE HUE BLOOD ELVES ARE EVULUL".

90% of these "fans" have no idea who Anasterian was in the first place...


Baseless claim. I think your issue is that you only read the minority of arguments who say something along those lines because it's a short read.

18/05/2018 17:36Posted by Dudas
A number of high elves were among the casualties in the attack on Theramore Isle. Despite the involvement of Vol'jin, the Darkspear tribe, and the blood elves in the attack, it is unknown how this affected their relationship with these races.


Seeing as they are in full support of Jaina, and still fight for the Alliance in every expansion while beating up blood elves in the sewers like thugs I think it's safe to say their relationship is pretty good with the Alliance races, and pretty bad with the Horde and blood elves specifically.
It is something that would be very interesting to see explored however, something they could and would have to do if them made them an allied race.

18/05/2018 17:36Posted by Dudas
So it's literally 3 bases with very few left of them... It's not like they had legions in those bases... The few high elves have turned even fewer through the course of WOW... Still waiting for the source where they have reproduced like insanity...


Thats two more bases than the void elves. And the Silver Covenant is still referred to as an army, while the Void elves are just a crack team.
They don't have to reproduce like crazy or have bigger numbers to be an allied race as we've seen.
Plus, high elves are a thing, and they're big enough of a thing that Elisande says the whole race of high elves are way too willing to dilute their bloodline. Thats said in Legion, meaning there has to be alot more that we were told before. It started off as Vereesa being the first to be pregnant with half elves back in 2004, but that changed when Arator and Alodi showed up, both older than Vereesas twins, and I doubt Kalec would choose the form of a race so obscure it barely exists, and not blizzard is saying that the whole thing of having kids with humans is something the high elves do quite regularily.
They could be a part of the high elves customization option, further patting out their numbers if you still think the numbers are an issue.

18/05/2018 17:36Posted by Dudas
According to Vereesa, high elves seldom give birth and very rarely give birth to twins. -The Well of Eternity


For a race that lives so long that isn't really an issue though. I doubt blood elves or night elves have kids left and right either since they live for so god damn long. After 50 years you would have tripled your population of adults.

Besides, that doesn't mean human women don't have half elf babies alot.

18/05/2018 17:36Posted by Dudas
So until proven otherwise these are legit reasons why they are going extinct imo.
Again maybe they should portray high elf casualties better ingame. People here think that if a bunch of high elves go to war they are not going to die or suffer injuries... They are not invulnerable and they haven't been shown as replenishing their numbers in any way so far. They have lost more than they have gained during WOW years.


Well, yeah, blizzard is having their cake and eating it too. They say high elves are few, they say they don't have alot of kids, but at the same time they're in every war and referred to as an army, and thats without showing us anyone from Quel'danil or the Allerian Stronghold.

And void elves have been presented as gaining followers from both blood elves and the remaning high elves getting converted. So at least their numbers increase in a steady way for now.


They're still just referred to as a "team" though, with nothing but tents udner their name, and a rock in space they can't even populate that happens to also slowly get eaten by the void. If they gained an insane amount like 10 new people daily, it would still take a long time for them to reach the thousands.

And remember, other player races also have population issues, The Darkspear Tribe is extremely tiny, yet they die as much as everyone els, and is represented everywhere. And if I rememeber correctly from Warcraft 3, the Tauren are also very few.

Just as a seperated thing. I don't think everything Vereesa says about high elven birth is all that correct to be honest. I don't know how recent it is she said that high elves seldom give birth, but she is also the one saying that her kids would be the first half elves, even though Arator already existed, Alodi the first Guardian had already lived "and died already I think." and as I explained earlier, other new lore is contradicting her further.
I don't think it's some all or nothing point to be made either way, but blizzard has ignored what she has said about high elven birth before.
18/05/2018 16:26Posted by Tìtus

How is she not controlling the void when it's the sunwell reacting to it. If anything, the Sunwell is the unstable one. Light energy clashed with void energy, no master of either can change that.


So the Sunwell reacted to void by opening void portals on itself?

Imagine you are holding a waterskin full of water on a candle burning. The waterskin has some holes on it and the water is leaking out of them, almost putting the candle out. By your logic, the waterskin is doing a great job and its the candles fault because it was reacting to the water inside the waterskin.

18/05/2018 16:26Posted by Tìtus

They care when that cliche makes a playable race unplayable... If the void elves were likely to go mad then we wouldn't be able to play them, thats whyw e can't play red orcs either.


18/05/2018 16:26Posted by Tìtus

So you think void elves will all go insane and basically be enemies we should kill, but still be playable?
And the player forsaken is rotting, but he'll never go away because they replace their bodyparts frequently.
And yes, the player shadow priest literally has an ability called "surrender to madness" where they kill themselves. But the player is "immortal" and all that undefined nonsense.


I seriously don't know how you've managed to interpret my comment to turning void elves into playable enemies.

Lorewise, forsakens are slowly rotting and replace body parts to prevent disappearing entirely, yet we don't see the progress of rotting nor replacing body parts, because of gameplay reasons.

Lorewise, shadow priests are hearing whispers from the void and are eventually driven mad, yet we don't see that because of gameplay reasons.

Void elves also hear whispers from the void and unless they either learn to master the void (read: better than Alleria can at the moment) or somehow get rid of their void infusion, they are doomed with the same fate as shadow priests. But we will never see that because of gameplay reasons.

18/05/2018 16:26Posted by Tìtus

No, this is in playable time. In TBC the sunwell got cleansed, last patch. That is what I'm talking about, the blood elves were in the current Horde under Thrall in TBC, not the first Horde. If the high elves didn't have an issue with the Horde, they would have gone back to Silvermoon, yet wrath came and they were more Alliance than ever before.


As I've said in my earlier comment, High Elven leadership (Vereesa in particular) are most likely heavily fed anti Blood Elf propaganda by Kirin Tor to the point of seeing their kin as an enemy.

18/05/2018 16:26Posted by Tìtus

Even if it was all about "anti blood elf propaganda" that is still a very inetresting story to follow.


That's your opinion. Is that interesting because you hope it might be a gateway for playable High Elves in alliance?

18/05/2018 16:26Posted by Tìtus

Yes, the Horde.


No, Garrosh. Blaming all members of the horde for the decisions of the warchief is nonsense.

18/05/2018 16:26Posted by Tìtus

If Lor'themar has just joiend the Alliance then Garrosh couldn't have done that.


Why would Lor'themar want to join the faction whose backbone is the kingdom that had Kael'thas imprisoned in Dalaran, then had the single most racist general in the entire kingdom assigned to have them systematically killed (or at least attempted to do so) ? Any Blood Elf (as well as High Elf) who is familiar with the events that took place after defilement of the Sunwell has all the reasons in the world to distrust humans. Lor'themar considered joining the Alliance only because Garrosh had become a bigger threat to their existance by then.

18/05/2018 16:26Posted by Tìtus

Plus do you think the other races would rally under Garrosh when he tells them "Lets kill the blood elves for not wanting to make a bomb to kill thousands of innocent people"
Yeah, I'm sure the Tauren would get pissed, and Vol'jin had already threantend to kill Garrosh so he wouldn't follow any orders. Sylvanas would probably just remain in the shadows not doing jack. Basically only the orcs and goblins would follow Garrosh still.


Garrosh could easily accuse Silvermoon of treason had they chose not to cooperate. Orcs greatly outnumber Blood Elves (and any other race on horde, for that matter) and orcish forces alone would've razed Silvermoon, due to sheer numbers if nothing else. Tauren would most likely get pissed. Trolls? Perhaps they too would be. But I don't see either crossing the ocean to stop Garrosh's forces on Silvermoon. Forsaken would've known that they'd be the next if they acted, so they'd stay still as well.

18/05/2018 16:26Posted by Tìtus


They have exactly the same reasons as I listed. The high elves in general or the Silver Covenant specifically. The SIlver Covenant has the most reason because they were the most invested personally.
And if the Silver Covenant is a very small part of the High Elven population then that nullifies the whole argument that high elves are too few, because the Silver Covenant is a full army, and is described as such, while the void elves are just described as a crack team. It is a sidenote but I felt like mentioning it since it's a common argument.


No they don't. In fact, I'm pretty sure that High Elf civillians don't hate their Blood Elven kin, Half Elves who are part Silver Covenant are the only ones that hate Blood Elves because they are personally invested.

What makes you think the Silver Covenant is a full army? It's a medium sized strike force at best. We don't even know if High Elves outnumber Void Elves at the moment, but they definitely a minority compared to Blood Elves.



No, jaina is to blame for not having playable blood elves. You didn't see any high elves try to stop her from cleaning out Dalaran.

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You do realize that Blood Elves are High Elves, right?
I would just like to remind people that 90% of the High Elven survivors from the scourge invasion are calling themselves Blood Elves now.

The bolded text is very important to note.

It is very important to remember that they were all, despite current alligiances, not many years ago (For an elf) lived side by side, brothers, sisters, mothers, fathers, sons, daughters, wife, husband, boyfriend, girlfriend etc etc, all lived and shared the same land, city, houses, food, sunwell and so on. They were all a part of the same army, the same council, all that crap.

Why in the world do you people still think, that the small 10% of which a large part have died over span of several years (Several expansions) would have face markings and tattooes while the vast majority, the vast 90% does not?

What in hell are you actually thinking?
No, Garrosh. Blaming all members of the horde for the decisions of the warchief is nonsense.


You do realize people of any given nationality are often blamed if their nation's military is involved in warfare? Especially if many civilian casualties are involved.

It's not fair and it's not justice. But people are flawed emotional beings.
It's not unreasonable to assume that the High Elves in the Alliance in part blame their kin in the Horde for their part in wiping out Theramore and the High Elves living there.
Soldiers aren't mindless tools, the "I was just following orders" excuse doesn't change minds very often.
18/05/2018 19:01Posted by Alyssa
No, Garrosh. Blaming all members of the horde for the decisions of the warchief is nonsense.


*Humans are bad edit from post*

It's not fair and it's not justice. But people are flawed emotional beings.
It's not unreasonable to assume that the High Elves in the Alliance in part blame their kin in the Horde for their part in wiping out Theramore and the High Elves living there.

Just so you know talking about that is banable so I would avoid that certain real life topic
18/05/2018 19:03Posted by Moritz
Just so you know talking about that is banable so I would avoid that certain real life topic


Not changing the topic, just pointing out that blaming many for the actions of a few is not uncommon.